Brand new 43 offshore 14 sec fast

[rcwatchcollector]

3rd day now. 14 sec fast per day. Is this normal for AP? I know it’s only been 3 days. Lol.

Also my chrono minute sub dial stays in place. I was worried reading about it.

Thanks!!!


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[fminus]

I think that's faster than it's supposed to be, even under AP standards. But I have a feeling if you took it back they'll say that's within spec. It's amazing that AP can still get away with this non chronometer status despite where it's trying to position itself in the luxury time piece space.

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[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by fminus

I think that's faster than it's supposed to be, even under AP standards. But I have a feeling if you took it back they'll say that's within spec. It's amazing that AP can still get away with this non chronometer status despite where it's trying to position itself in the luxury time piece space.

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Thanks. I was not sure what AP spec is supposed to be.


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[vliberman]

Very common experience with AP… hyped up brand with no watchmaking prowess outside of few models.. yet people still buy… so carry on

[fminus]

Originally Posted by vliberman

Very common experience with AP… hyped up brand with no watchmaking prowess outside of few models.. yet people still buy… so carry on

That's me included. The iconic case, and finishing of the bracelet and case overpowers the horrible boutique experience, lack of precision and subpar finishing for the price. I need help.....

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[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by vliberman

Very common experience with AP… hyped up brand with no watchmaking prowess outside of few models.. yet people still buy… so carry on

I’m a little dissatisfied about this but I am loving this watch. If the chrono hand was moving on its own like some of you guys experienced I would be super upset.

The case finish and bezel is spectacular


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[vliberman]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

I’m a little dissatisfied about this but I am loving this watch. If the chrono hand was moving on its own like some of you guys experienced I would be super upset.

The case finish and bezel is spectacular


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Stockholm syndrome is a thing.... luxury goods makers take full advantage of it..

[messikens]

Funnily enough I had a look at my old pictures and noticed that even the EOD ROO has the minute issue and that was a demo model .

Solid way to market it...
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To OP : 14s in 3 days is definitely not normal. Would suggest you get it looked at

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by vliberman

Stockholm syndrome is a thing.... luxury goods makers take full advantage of it..

You guys are bumming me out.


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[dmash]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=907000

Please see my recent thread :/

[In-N-Out]

All my APs are about + 9 to 12 seconds per day. What do you think this is? A Rolex?! ��

[neal.jy]

I think you should ask your SA about it - if it really bothers you, even if it’s within spec, I think you should be able to send it to Clearwater to have it adjusted? It’s using the Caliber 4401 which is definitely capable of greater accuracy than that.


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[rcwatchcollector]

I think I will just see what happens in a month or so. Maybe it will get better. It seems close enough to spec. It is the same 14 sec regardless what position I rest the Watch. Or if I wear it. I’ve rested overnight in winder crown up, 3pm. And last night face up. After a full day before I put it down it’s the same -14 sec a day accuracy. So it is accurate on wrist and resting at -14.

I’ll try demagnetizing today.


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[rcwatchcollector]

Ok. Demagnetized. Wore it all day. Put away last night. Put on wrist this morning . Took a measurement from Watch timing app. +11 a day over 24 hours. Put on my weishi timegrapher. It says +10 a day in the various positions.

I’m happy with this. Think I will not need to send for service at 10 sec a day.

All my Rolex watches are within 2 sec. Maybe Rolex just has better movements I don’t know. Lol.


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[messikens]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Ok. Demagnetized. Wore it all day. Put away last night. Put on wrist this morning . Took a measurement from Watch timing app. +11 a day over 24 hours. Put on my weishi timegrapher. It says +10 a day in the various positions.

I’m happy with this. Think I will not need to send for service at 10 sec a day.

All my Rolex watches are within 2 sec. Maybe Rolex just has better movements I don’t know. Lol.


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It is what it is at this point...

But at this point I get frustrated to know that a true mass produced product with 1mm+ units per year has a tolerance that is literally 20% of a haute horology watch made by little swiss artisans in their little village next to the snow covered mountains that makes about 5% as many watches at about 5-10x of the price

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by messikens

It is what it is at this point...

But at this point I get frustrated to know that a true mass produced product with 1mm+ units per year has a tolerance that is literally 20% of a haute horology watch made by little swiss artisans in their little village next to the snow covered mountains that makes about 5% as many watches at about 5-10x of the price

The little Swiss watch village. Ha ha.


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[salnuaimi]

Originally Posted by messikens

Funnily enough I had a look at my old pictures and noticed that even the EOD ROO has the minute issue and that was a demo model .

Solid way to market it...
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To OP : 14s in 3 days is definitely not normal. Would suggest you get it looked at

Common issue with the RO offshores .. my friend had his watch with them for repair and finally they changed the whole caliber!

[John Doyle]

APs run at -15 seconds + 25 seconds a day, typical, common and expected. It's understandable as they are too busy making their one watch collection case nice and shiny and making sure their more sophisticated movements work well instead of making their basic movements actually perform the way they should.

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by John Doyle

APs run at -15 seconds + 25 seconds a day, typical, common and expected. It's understandable as they are too busy making their one watch collection case nice and shiny and making sure their more sophisticated movements work well instead of making their basic movements actually perform the way they should.

Is this really typical? So I should not sweat it till a regular service?


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[neal.jy]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Is this really typical? So I should not sweat it till a regular service?


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Bit of a stretch to say it’s typical - I have two pieces, one with the older 3120 movement (+6s / day), and one with the same 4401 movement in your offshore (+1.5s / day).

Entirely possible I’ve just been fortunate - but the movements themselves are definitely capable of being more accurate, it’s ultimately up to you if you care enough to ask them to fix it!


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[squall1]

Again, I wish they'd publish the spec.

My watches (all newer calibre) run +5-9 depending on the watch as measured on a timegrapher. They seem to be getting a little better over time.

As an aside, I've noticed is these movements seem to run pretty terribly if not wound enough. I work a desk job and if I just wind it enough to get it going, they run pretty horribly and never can quite "catch up" self winding.

[John Doyle]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Is this really typical? So I should not sweat it till a regular service?


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The term typical i used is misleading but in my experience, the Royal Oak has never been an example or precision timekeeping... My 15400sr sometimes gains / loses 4-5 minutes in a day, and is sometimes completely spot on. The SS diver i had also didn't keep good time... Same for a friend's royal oak.

I am sure AP puts more effort in movement calibration for their high end pieces, which is what really bothers me.

For what it's worth, my breitling chronomat 44 b01 from 2011 keeps the best timing in the collection.

[dauster]

Originally Posted by John Doyle

My 15400sr sometimes gains / loses 4-5 minutes in a day, and is sometimes completely spot on. The SS diver i had also didn't keep good time... Same for a friend's royal oak.

lol 4-5 minutes a day wtf

[John Doyle]

Originally Posted by dauster

lol 4-5 minutes a day wtf

Took it for inspection twice already, came back with "fixes" that lasted 1 year the first time, then 3 months the next time.

Can't be bothered to take it again and i don't want to get it serviced just for that...

[rcwatchcollector]

Decided to live with my new 43 being 14 sec fast per day. Everything else is perfect. Sub dial are aligned. Etc.

I am afraid a service to make it more accurate within a few sec will make it worse and introduce the min hand sub dial issue.

So I’m living with it.

This forum has me scared about AP service. Ha he.


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[SMD]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Decided to live with my new 43 being 14 sec fast per day. Everything else is perfect. Sub dial are aligned. Etc.

I am afraid a service to make it more accurate within a few sec will make it worse and introduce the min hand sub dial issue.

So I’m living with it.

This forum has me scared about AP service. Ha he.


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If you are scared of sending to Clearwater based on this forum, you are relying on the wrong people.

[dmash]

OP- If you’re referring to my situation, I’d say it’s probably more due to my actual watch being a bad apple, not Clearwater’s capabilities.

[Rrpdc]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

All my APs are about + 9 to 12 seconds per day. What do you think this is? A Rolex?! ��

[Notimetodie]

AD told me my 15500 should run within 5s per day, and if it’s more than that to send it in before warranty expires. It’s running 1s fast per day for the last 2.5 years. Just one reference point… my BLNR runs 2s per day fast (have to put it on its side at night or it would be 3s. Blancpain 70th 1.4s per day fast, would be 2s if not put on its side at night.

[AEV]

I track the accuracy of my watches and my APs and indeed far off compared to Rolex.
I spoke to a boutique a while ago when my new Code 3 hander was running +15 sec a day. I was told over time the accuracy will improve and indeed it happened.
Currently my Code is +7sec a day, 18 month into the ownership.
My last purchase 15510 is +13 sec, while the 26240 is around +9sec.

They all run fast.