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illiguy · 25 February 2020, 09:49 AM

But we see many dial colors and configurations in the Submariner Date?

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iatacs19 · 25 February 2020, 09:50 AM

Hulk

moneypenny · 25 February 2020, 09:52 AM

Apart from the Green, Blue and Certi Dials. I 'm not sure

illiguy · 25 February 2020, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by moneypenny

Apart from the Green, Blue and Certi Dials. I 'm not sure

Date.

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Harry-57 · 25 February 2020, 10:09 AM

I've wondered this too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's a gap Rolex is aiming to fill at some juncture.

Likestheshiny · 25 February 2020, 10:20 AM

I wonder if this post is a genuine question, or just another effort to assert that the term "submariner" should be used only for the no-date model.

But the answer to the question as offered is this: the dateless sub is the base model. It's presented as the entry-level sub, and so doesn't get more premium options. That's the same reason you don't see it in two-tone or gold.

(And, yes, many folks on this forum -- including me -- actually see the missing date as a good thing, but that's nonetheless not how Rolex is positioning the product.)

schoolboy · 25 February 2020, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by illiguy

Date.

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Edit: I understand what you’re asking now

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jankymutt · 25 February 2020, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Likestheshiny

I wonder if this post is a genuine question, or just another effort to assert that the term "submariner" should be used only for the no-date model.

But the answer to the question as offered is this: the dateless sub is the base model. It's presented as the entry-level sub, and so doesn't get more premium options. That's the same reason you don't see it in two-tone or gold.

(And, yes, many folks on this forum -- including me -- actually see the missing date as a good thing, but that's nonetheless not how Rolex is positioning the product.)

I think this is true, but also that the Submariner harkens back to its origins (no date).

Nikrnic · 25 February 2020, 11:10 AM

With all of the new changes and evolutions of the Sub I've always wondered why myself.

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FTX I · 25 February 2020, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by illiguy

But we see many dial colors and configurations in the Submariner Date?

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I hope they leave the Sub alone.

037 · 25 February 2020, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FTX I

I hope they leave the Sub alone.

I hear it's going to five lines next revision. "NO-DATE" will be line #2.

TurboTim14 · 25 February 2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 037

I hear it's going to five lines next revision. "NO-DATE" will be line #2.

Maybe it will read at 12 o'clock:

ROLEX
Oyster perpetual no-date

Bladeshot · 25 February 2020, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 037

I hear it's going to five lines next revision. "NO-DATE" will be line #2.

well played!

jrs146 · 25 February 2020, 11:58 AM

I’m guessing it’s just the way Rolex gets customers to spend more money. Why charge more for a 116610LV than a LN. I’m sure the production cost is about the same. It’s just a sales technique to keep you going up the spending chain.

Tools · 25 February 2020, 01:23 PM

The Sub has stayed traditional. It was the last of the line to be brought into the ceramic era. Even up to that time, it still had stamped end-links, lug holes, and the basic flat blade extension bracelet.

No real reason to change the formula when they still sell every one they make almost instantly.

Cesium137 · 25 February 2020, 01:30 PM

It’s the Rolex way.

77T · 25 February 2020, 02:32 PM

My guess: Hans was a great admirer of Henry Ford - “any color you wish, as long as it’s black.”

I think it is legendary now - until the Polar Sub comes at Basel.

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Yess · 25 February 2020, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Likestheshiny

I wonder if this post is a genuine question, or just another effort to assert that the term "submariner" should be used only for the no-date model.

But the answer to the question as offered is this: the dateless sub is the base model. It's presented as the entry-level sub, and so doesn't get more premium options. That's the same reason you don't see it in two-tone or gold.

(And, yes, many folks on this forum -- including me -- actually see the missing date as a good thing, but that's nonetheless not how Rolex is positioning the product.)

I think this seems very likely... but it makes me wonder about the dial options on the true 'entry level' Rolex - the Oyster Perpetual. I don't know the history well enough, but the original OP didn't have a grape or rhodium dial did it?

Perhaps in the future we will see various dial colours for the Sub?

GradyPhilpott · 25 February 2020, 02:51 PM

The Sub is for purists.

At least that's a good enough reason for me.

jeorge · 25 February 2020, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

The Sub is for purists.

At least that's a good enough reason for me.

FTX I · 25 February 2020, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 037

I hear it's going to five lines next revision. "NO-DATE" will be line #2.

lol you made me look at the dial and imagine that.

brandrea · 25 February 2020, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

The Sub is for purists.

At least that's a good enough reason for me.

Me as well. I sincerely hope they keep it real.

HogwldFLTR · 25 February 2020, 09:39 PM

I believe it is because the Sub is a entry level Professional watch like the Exp. Also this maintains the iconic nature of the watch as it is an icon. Rolex has a number of icons but this and the Explorer are the most rooted in adventure.

1William · 25 February 2020, 09:40 PM

The Submariner is a classic design from a classic brand.

Gmt+10 · 25 February 2020, 10:26 PM

I think the submariner wouldn't be as desirable if more dial options were available.

MTdweller · 25 February 2020, 10:34 PM

Good question. My guess is tradition, plus the Date models have some dial variation.

mykii · 25 February 2020, 11:16 PM

As much as I'd love a green ND, I say don't mess with a classic. The luster will be gone.

Jimmy 1665 · 26 February 2020, 12:31 AM

I shed a tear when I saw the two tone Sea Dweller. I was also disappointed to see the cyclops appear on the SD 43, but I get it at a practical level as I can't read the 1665 date window without my reading glasses these days!

Leave the Submariner alone in it's unique space - black dial, black bezel inset and stainless steel. Let the Sub Date have all the 'colourful' choices (if you can find a reasonably priced one)!

beshannon · 26 February 2020, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by illiguy

Why Does The Submariner Only Come In Black Dial?

Because it is perfect as is

noshake · 26 February 2020, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jankymutt

I think this is true, but also that the Submariner harkens back to its origins (no date).

This ^ it stays true to the original. No need to additional colors to this model when there are options on the SubDate.

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25 February 2020, 09:49 AM	#1
illiguy 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: UTC/GMT -5 Posts: 3,495	Why Does The Submariner Only Come In Black Dial? But we see many dial colors and configurations in the Submariner Date? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

25 February 2020, 11:58 AM	#14
jrs146 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: Lost in time Watch: Me Nae Nae Posts: 9,821	I’m guessing it’s just the way Rolex gets customers to spend more money. Why charge more for a 116610LV than a LN. I’m sure the production cost is about the same. It’s just a sales technique to keep you going up the spending chain. __________________ "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." -Jerome J. Garcia, Robert C. Hunter

25 February 2020, 01:23 PM	#15
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,180	The Sub has stayed traditional. It was the last of the line to be brought into the ceramic era. Even up to that time, it still had stamped end-links, lug holes, and the basic flat blade extension bracelet. No real reason to change the formula when they still sell every one they make almost instantly. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

25 February 2020, 02:32 PM	#17
77T 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 40,967	Why Does The Submariner Only Come In Black Dial? My guess: Hans was a great admirer of Henry Ford - “any color you wish, as long as it’s black.” I think it is legendary now - until the Polar Sub comes at Basel. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

25 February 2020, 02:51 PM	#19
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,358	The Sub is for purists. At least that's a good enough reason for me. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

25 February 2020, 09:50 AM	#2
iatacs19 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 185	Hulk

25 February 2020, 09:52 AM	#3
moneypenny "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Sydney Posts: 43	Apart from the Green, Blue and Certi Dials. I 'm not sure

25 February 2020, 10:09 AM	#5
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 9,839	I've wondered this too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's a gap Rolex is aiming to fill at some juncture.

25 February 2020, 10:20 AM	#6
Likestheshiny "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: _ Posts: 1,877	I wonder if this post is a genuine question, or just another effort to assert that the term "submariner" should be used only for the no-date model. But the answer to the question as offered is this: the dateless sub is the base model. It's presented as the entry-level sub, and so doesn't get more premium options. That's the same reason you don't see it in two-tone or gold. (And, yes, many folks on this forum -- including me -- actually see the missing date as a good thing, but that's nonetheless not how Rolex is positioning the product.)

25 February 2020, 11:10 AM	#9
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,161	With all of the new changes and evolutions of the Sub I've always wondered why myself. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

25 February 2020, 01:30 PM	#16
Cesium137 Banned Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: SoCal Posts: 450	It’s the Rolex way.

25 February 2020, 09:39 PM	#23
HogwldFLTR 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Lee Location: 42.48.45N70.48.48 Watch: What's on my wrist Posts: 33,256	I believe it is because the Sub is a entry level Professional watch like the Exp. Also this maintains the iconic nature of the watch as it is an icon. Rolex has a number of icons but this and the Explorer are the most rooted in adventure. __________________ Troglodyte in residence! https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=808599

25 February 2020, 09:40 PM	#24
1William 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 45,315	The Submariner is a classic design from a classic brand.

25 February 2020, 10:26 PM	#25
Gmt+10 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Guam Watch: Sub Posts: 227	I think the submariner wouldn't be as desirable if more dial options were available.

25 February 2020, 10:34 PM	#26
MTdweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Ty Location: West Coast Watch: the time fly! Posts: 1,475	Good question. My guess is tradition, plus the Date models have some dial variation.

25 February 2020, 11:16 PM	#27
mykii "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: East Watch: AP + PP + Rolex Posts: 1,775	As much as I'd love a green ND, I say don't mess with a classic. The luster will be gone.

26 February 2020, 12:31 AM	#28
Jimmy 1665 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deva Victrix Watch: 1665/16610/114060 Posts: 71	I shed a tear when I saw the two tone Sea Dweller. I was also disappointed to see the cyclops appear on the SD 43, but I get it at a practical level as I can't read the 1665 date window without my reading glasses these days! Leave the Submariner alone in it's unique space - black dial, black bezel inset and stainless steel. Let the Sub Date have all the 'colourful' choices (if you can find a reasonably priced one)!

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