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cody p · 25 April 2011, 03:22 AM

I'm curious about the robustness of the caliber 313x in regards to surviving daily hand winding. Some say that the eta 2824 is not up to being hand wound daily as the parts associated with this task are not as robust as say what's found on the eta 2801. Are the manual wind parts in a Rolex as durable as those found in a dedicated hand wound caliber. I ask on behalf of someone who is becoming increasingly sedentary. Thanks for any insights.

cody p · 26 April 2011, 02:46 AM

Hang in there Cody!

padi56 · 26 April 2011, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cody p

I'm curious about the robustness of the caliber 313x in regards to surviving daily hand winding. Some say that the eta 2824 is not up to being hand wound daily as the parts associated with this task are not as robust as say what's found on the eta 2801. Are the manual wind parts in a Rolex as durable as those found in a dedicated hand wound caliber. I ask on behalf of someone who is becoming increasingly sedentary. Thanks for any insights.

Cannot see a problem with both movements thats what they still got winding crowns for.I would always recommend a occasional manual wind once or twice a week with any automatic watch except some Seiko, they cannot be manually wound.

Rikki · 26 April 2011, 08:55 AM

When you manuallly wind an automatic you're putting 4 extra gears to work besides the 5 gears in the auto module alone so as long as the watch is clean and oiled properly you wouldn't be doing anything that the watch wasn't designed for. As for the eta's the properly oiled reversers will work and last just as well, but they're finicky about being perfectly oiled too much and they lock up. The 2892 variants are a bit more forgiving on the oiling and are very smooth. Rik

cody p · 26 April 2011, 01:22 PM

Thanks Padi. Thanks Rik.

Tools · 28 April 2011, 05:10 AM

Every now and then you run across a watch where a watchmaker has taken out the auto-wind rotor and changed it to manual wind only if they didn't have the rotor axle parts...

Don't know anybody that has ever broken the manual wind gears on a well maintained movement...

cody p · 28 April 2011, 02:17 PM

Thanks Tools.

Morax · 28 April 2011, 11:12 PM

Sorry for OT but was always wondering what is happening inside the watch when you manualy wind it, get to the full power and then overwind it maybe 1 turn? Any potential issue?

Numismatist · 28 April 2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Morax

Sorry for OT but was always wondering what is happening inside the watch when you manualy wind it, get to the full power and then overwind it maybe 1 turn? Any potential issue?

Most modern watches have a clutch mechanism that prevents overwinding; some vintage do not. To be safe, what watch do you have?

Morax · 29 April 2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Numismatist

Most modern watches have a clutch mechanism that prevents overwinding; some vintage do not. To be safe, what watch do you have?

I have SubC so it should be ok then...

Rikki · 29 April 2011, 10:51 PM

In general automatics cannot be overwound Rik

poffe · 30 April 2011, 05:54 AM

Manual winding gives better accuracy, doesn't it?

Well, perhaps at least on vintage watches. Giving some turns in the morning along with daily wear keeps the spring fully wound and thus better accuracy.

At least this is the case on my vintage automatic Zodiac. When just running because of wrist moving it slows a little less than a minute a day, when giving it some good turns in the morning and on the evening it runs just within a few seconds a day.

Brushpup · 3 May 2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by poffe

Manual winding gives better accuracy, doesn't it?

Well, perhaps at least on vintage watches. Giving some turns in the morning along with daily wear keeps the spring fully wound and thus better accuracy.

At least this is the case on my vintage automatic Zodiac. When just running because of wrist moving it slows a little less than a minute a day, when giving it some good turns in the morning and on the evening it runs just within a few seconds a day.

Id be interested in knowing the answer to this from and expert but I would guess something is wrong with the Autowind system in this case.

Rikki · 3 May 2011, 10:54 PM

Probably needs servicing but the higher the amplitude the more consistant the time will be, usually when the amplitude drops the watch will speed up because it is going back and forth quicker instead of longer increasing the time. Rik

mrbill2mrbill2 · 14 May 2011, 08:11 AM

To the OP. You state "I ask on behalf of someone who is becoming increasingly sedentary." You might want to get a watch winder for the night. Set it at a high turns per day than the recommend 650 since it will only be on the winder at night - not 24 hours.

25 April 2011, 03:22 AM	#1
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	Manually winding an automatic daily. I'm curious about the robustness of the caliber 313x in regards to surviving daily hand winding. Some say that the eta 2824 is not up to being hand wound daily as the parts associated with this task are not as robust as say what's found on the eta 2801. Are the manual wind parts in a Rolex as durable as those found in a dedicated hand wound caliber. I ask on behalf of someone who is becoming increasingly sedentary. Thanks for any insights.

26 April 2011, 08:55 AM	#4
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	When you manuallly wind an automatic you're putting 4 extra gears to work besides the 5 gears in the auto module alone so as long as the watch is clean and oiled properly you wouldn't be doing anything that the watch wasn't designed for. As for the eta's the properly oiled reversers will work and last just as well, but they're finicky about being perfectly oiled too much and they lock up. The 2892 variants are a bit more forgiving on the oiling and are very smooth. Rik __________________ Century 21 Certified watchmaker Omega Service Provider Trained Omega OWME Certified. Rolex Parts Account Holder.

28 April 2011, 05:10 AM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,137	Every now and then you run across a watch where a watchmaker has taken out the auto-wind rotor and changed it to manual wind only if they didn't have the rotor axle parts... Don't know anybody that has ever broken the manual wind gears on a well maintained movement... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

29 April 2011, 10:51 PM	#11
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	In general automatics cannot be overwound Rik __________________ Century 21 Certified watchmaker Omega Service Provider Trained Omega OWME Certified. Rolex Parts Account Holder.

3 May 2011, 10:54 PM	#14
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	Probably needs servicing but the higher the amplitude the more consistant the time will be, usually when the amplitude drops the watch will speed up because it is going back and forth quicker instead of longer increasing the time. Rik __________________ Century 21 Certified watchmaker Omega Service Provider Trained Omega OWME Certified. Rolex Parts Account Holder.

26 April 2011, 02:46 AM	#2
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	Hang in there Cody!

26 April 2011, 01:22 PM	#5
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	Thanks Padi. Thanks Rik.

28 April 2011, 02:17 PM	#7
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	Thanks Tools.

28 April 2011, 11:12 PM	#8
Morax "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Jiri Location: Czech Republic Watch: 116610LN Posts: 78	Sorry for OT but was always wondering what is happening inside the watch when you manualy wind it, get to the full power and then overwind it maybe 1 turn? Any potential issue?

30 April 2011, 05:54 AM	#12
poffe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 24	Manual winding gives better accuracy, doesn't it? Well, perhaps at least on vintage watches. Giving some turns in the morning along with daily wear keeps the spring fully wound and thus better accuracy. At least this is the case on my vintage automatic Zodiac. When just running because of wrist moving it slows a little less than a minute a day, when giving it some good turns in the morning and on the evening it runs just within a few seconds a day.

14 May 2011, 08:11 AM	#15
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	To the OP. You state "I ask on behalf of someone who is becoming increasingly sedentary." You might want to get a watch winder for the night. Set it at a high turns per day than the recommend 650 since it will only be on the winder at night - not 24 hours. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

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