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dbhak22 · 1 December 2017, 09:16 AM

Ninth edition of the "VERSUS" post/picture. What is "VERSUS"? Well, I thought it would be fun to compare two watches (and only those two watches) and discuss pros/cons by outlining the differences and getting folks' ideas/thoughts/opinions on TRF. We got folks here that have been collecting and studying these things for decades all the way to those who are just starting to venture into the crazy world of Rolex (and everyone in between). Therefore, it would be fun and educational!

For this edition, we have a showdown of a couple similar yet different 5-digit sport models. The Submariner 16610 and the GMT 16710.

Which do you prefer and why?

Previous VERSUS:
1. VERSUS: Submariner 1680 v. 16610
2. VERSUS: Rolex Submariner and Sea-Dweller 16610LV and 126600
3. VERSUS: Rolex Submariner 16610s
4. VERSUS: Sea (Deepsea 116660) to Sky (Explorer 1016)
5. VERSUS: Submariners Vintage and Modern
6. VERSUS: Datejusts with Unique Dials
7. VERSUS: Vintage Submariners
8. VERSUS: Vintage GMTs

douglasf13 · 1 December 2017, 09:20 AM

Slightly prefer the looks of the 16610, but slightly prefer the caseback, clasp and GMT function of the GMT...so Explorer II it is!

dbhak22 · 1 December 2017, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Slightly prefer the looks of the 16610, but slightly prefer the caseback, clasp and GMT function of the GMT...so Explorer II it is!

HEY! That's not how this works! :)

But seriously, well played sir!

Tony64 · 1 December 2017, 09:33 AM

GMT gets my vote in this matchup.
It does everything that Sub does and more, practically speaking of course.

The matchup that's impossible for me is that same GMT vs a Sub without the date. That's a battle of function vs aesthetic and I couldn't possibly pick a winner - so I bought both!

douglasf13 · 1 December 2017, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Slightly prefer the looks of the 16610, but slightly prefer the caseback, clasp and GMT function of the GMT...so Explorer II it is!

Ok, fine.

Even though I've only owned the 16610, I'd pick the GMT this time around.

jcatt · 1 December 2017, 11:32 AM

Show a Sub vs. a Pepsi.
In that case, Pepsi all day long.
JCATT

TimeRookie · 1 December 2017, 11:44 AM

The splash of red and the extra complication make the GMT the clear winner for me.

MCO1 · 1 December 2017, 11:45 AM

In this format I think I prefer the Sub. If it were a Pepsi GMT with jubilee then it would be a different story.

Prestige_Swiss · 1 December 2017, 11:54 AM

Sub for me mainly for its water capabilities. Both great pieces.

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douglasf13 · 1 December 2017, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prestige_Swiss

Sub for me mainly for its water capabilities. Both great pieces.

Wait, have you gone diving below 100m??

jcatt · 1 December 2017, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Wait, have you gone diving below 100m??

LOL, exactly. Not unless your Rolex comes with a tank of Nitrox or Trimix. For my shower, swimming pool, or ocean, I'd be fine with any Rolex, probably even a Cellini.
JCATT

Chewbacca · 1 December 2017, 12:53 PM

Gmt

it's just as usuable in water as a sub with an extra complication and jubilee option.

2th_doc · 1 December 2017, 01:05 PM

16710. For this reason:

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richamby · 1 December 2017, 01:13 PM

GMT all day!

mailman · 1 December 2017, 08:54 PM

I went Sub first time around. If I had to do it again it'd be the GMT.

joli160 · 1 December 2017, 09:09 PM

The GMT, because of the possible bezel and bracelet options

DavidUK · 1 December 2017, 09:24 PM

I was choosing between these exact two watches earlier this year...

At first I wanted the GMT for its symmetry, the extra function, the red fourth hand... but then something changed and I wanted the Sub for it's non-symmetry and simpler dial.

I bought the Sub.

4 weeks later I'd fallen out of love with it. It was so boring and dull, with the flimsy oyster bracelet prone to scratching, not enough bling compared to my old DJ36...

But the DJ was too small... so I part exchanged the DJ and the Sub against a new, bigger, DJ41. Happy again now

...

Mick8moses · 1 December 2017, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony64

GMT gets my vote in this matchup.
It does everything that Sub does and more, practically speaking of course.

The matchup that's impossible for me is that same GMT vs a Sub without the date. That's a battle of function vs aesthetic and I couldn't possibly pick a winner - so I bought both!

Agree with Tony here - the GMT gets my vote for the functionality in this matchup. But a Sub no date would take it for my appreciation of it's beauty.

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mjclark32 · 1 December 2017, 10:46 PM

If I had a single use for the GMT I'd consider it, but for my needs my 16610 has served me well for 7 such years now

Thuilln · 1 December 2017, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeRookie

The splash of red and the extra complication make the GMT the clear winner for me.

My opinion as well.

Loevhagen · 2 December 2017, 02:24 AM

!6710 as "beater".

dbhak22 · 2 December 2017, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Loevhagen

!6710 as "beater".

Doesn't look like you "beat" that up at all! :)

Colin10101 · 2 December 2017, 04:14 AM

Going with the GMT (check my dig), but it's closer than you'd think. My collection will always be centred by a 5 digit sports model, and my hierarchy goes GMT>Seadweller>Sub date, but it is extremely close. I just love the colour the GMT brings to the table, and the clasp of the GMT is a bit more comfortable than the Sub. But man, there are times when I look at 5 digit subs and think that could easily be my only one.

scousejames · 5 December 2020, 03:50 PM

I've always been into Subs, but lately found myself lusting over a 16710 and spending so much time looking at internet images of it.

Funny how when I first got into Rolex the Sub and GMT looked the same to me, but now they look so different.

strafer_kid · 5 December 2020, 09:20 PM

Both are excellent thought maybe the GMT just edges it on account of bezel insert options!

Stan Cooper · 6 December 2020, 12:22 AM

GMT.

For me having two time zones is a must. My ham radio transmission logs are kept in GMT; flight plans, aviation weather, NOTAMS, and TFRs are all in GMT. I'm constantly checking GMT, but the 16710 bezel can also be used for timing recreational dives and parking meters.

kneedeep · 6 December 2020, 02:39 AM

GMT for functions and bezel inserts versatility.

igy22 · 6 December 2020, 07:32 AM

I had both. I eventually let go of the sub... not because I didn't like it, but I prefer the GMT.
It is, as many have mentioned, literally 6 watches in one. I also prefer the clasp's smaller footprint. The GMT function, for me, is much more useful then the sub.
It is also my daily... I love this watch.

goliat · 6 December 2020, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan Cooper

GMT.

For me having two time zones is a must. My ham radio transmission logs are kept in GMT; flight plans, aviation weather, NOTAMS, and TFRs are all in GMT. I'm constantly checking GMT, but the 16710 bezel can also be used for timing recreational dives and parking meters.

Cool use case for the watch! Private or commercial pilot or ATC?

greenfan · 6 December 2020, 08:06 AM

GMT 16710 gets my vote too! 2 or even 3 time zones and the swap of bezels gives you a new watch every time. So it's a clear winner.

1 December 2017, 09:16 AM	#1
dbhak22 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Daniel Location: PNW Watch: ♛ Posts: 3,004	VERSUS: 5-Digit Sub and GMT Ninth edition of the "VERSUS" post/picture. What is "VERSUS"? Well, I thought it would be fun to compare two watches (and only those two watches) and discuss pros/cons by outlining the differences and getting folks' ideas/thoughts/opinions on TRF. We got folks here that have been collecting and studying these things for decades all the way to those who are just starting to venture into the crazy world of Rolex (and everyone in between). Therefore, it would be fun and educational! For this edition, we have a showdown of a couple similar yet different 5-digit sport models. The Submariner 16610 and the GMT 16710. Which do you prefer and why? Previous VERSUS: 1. VERSUS: Submariner 1680 v. 16610 2. VERSUS: Rolex Submariner and Sea-Dweller 16610LV and 126600 3. VERSUS: Rolex Submariner 16610s 4. VERSUS: Sea (Deepsea 116660) to Sky (Explorer 1016) 5. VERSUS: Submariners Vintage and Modern 6. VERSUS: Datejusts with Unique Dials 7. VERSUS: Vintage Submariners 8. VERSUS: Vintage GMTs __________________ GMT II (16710) \| Explorer I (1016) \| Datejust I (116234) \| Submariner (1680) \| Day-Date (1803) \| Royal Oak (25594) \| FOIS (2998 spec) \| Submariner (16808)

1 December 2017, 11:44 AM	#7
TimeRookie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Don Location: Canada Watch: 116710BLNR Posts: 2,190	The splash of red and the extra complication make the GMT the clear winner for me. __________________ 1988 15053 Rolex Date Two Tone (Grad Present) 116710 GMT Master II BLNR Seiko Prospex LX SNR031 Pelagos 42mm Explorer II 226570

1 December 2017, 11:54 AM	#9
Prestige_Swiss "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: John Location: Texas Watch: 126610LN Posts: 1,273	Sub for me mainly for its water capabilities. Both great pieces. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ ________________ Present: 126610LN “You can have everything in life you want, if you’ll just help enough other people get what they want.” -Ziglar

1 December 2017, 08:54 PM	#15
mailman TRF Moderator & DATE-JUST41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,392	I went Sub first time around. If I had to do it again it'd be the GMT. __________________ JJ

1 December 2017, 09:09 PM	#16
joli160 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,477	The GMT, because of the possible bezel and bracelet options __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

1 December 2017, 09:20 AM	#2
douglasf13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 5,618	Slightly prefer the looks of the 16610, but slightly prefer the caseback, clasp and GMT function of the GMT...so Explorer II it is!

1 December 2017, 09:33 AM	#4
Tony64 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,796	GMT gets my vote in this matchup. It does everything that Sub does and more, practically speaking of course. The matchup that's impossible for me is that same GMT vs a Sub without the date. That's a battle of function vs aesthetic and I couldn't possibly pick a winner - so I bought both!

1 December 2017, 11:45 AM	#8
MCO1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Missouri USA Watch: Daytona C white Posts: 2,248	In this format I think I prefer the Sub. If it were a Pepsi GMT with jubilee then it would be a different story.

1 December 2017, 12:53 PM	#12
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	Gmt it's just as usuable in water as a sub with an extra complication and jubilee option.

1 December 2017, 01:05 PM	#13
2th_doc "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Atl Posts: 920	16710. For this reason: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

1 December 2017, 01:13 PM	#14
richamby "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Ric Location: USA Posts: 179	GMT all day!

1 December 2017, 09:24 PM	#17
DavidUK "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Leicestershire UK Posts: 697	I was choosing between these exact two watches earlier this year... At first I wanted the GMT for its symmetry, the extra function, the red fourth hand... but then something changed and I wanted the Sub for it's non-symmetry and simpler dial. I bought the Sub. 4 weeks later I'd fallen out of love with it. It was so boring and dull, with the flimsy oyster bracelet prone to scratching, not enough bling compared to my old DJ36... But the DJ was too small... so I part exchanged the DJ and the Sub against a new, bigger, DJ41. Happy again now ...

1 December 2017, 10:46 PM	#19
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	If I had a single use for the GMT I'd consider it, but for my needs my 16610 has served me well for 7 such years now __________________

2 December 2017, 02:24 AM	#21
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,935	!6710 as "beater".

2 December 2017, 04:14 AM	#23
Colin10101 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Colin Location: Toronto Watch: 16710 Posts: 1,336	Going with the GMT (check my dig), but it's closer than you'd think. My collection will always be centred by a 5 digit sports model, and my hierarchy goes GMT>Seadweller>Sub date, but it is extremely close. I just love the colour the GMT brings to the table, and the clasp of the GMT is a bit more comfortable than the Sub. But man, there are times when I look at 5 digit subs and think that could easily be my only one. __________________ Rolex GMT-Master II 16710 "Z" Serial COKE Montblanc 1858 Iced Sea *BLACK*

5 December 2020, 03:50 PM	#24
scousejames "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Liverpool Posts: 98	I've always been into Subs, but lately found myself lusting over a 16710 and spending so much time looking at internet images of it. Funny how when I first got into Rolex the Sub and GMT looked the same to me, but now they look so different.

5 December 2020, 09:20 PM	#25
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,130	Both are excellent thought maybe the GMT just edges it on account of bezel insert options!

6 December 2020, 12:22 AM	#26
Stan Cooper 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Real Name: Stan Cooper Location: Sonoma County, CA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 2,774	GMT. For me having two time zones is a must. My ham radio transmission logs are kept in GMT; flight plans, aviation weather, NOTAMS, and TFRs are all in GMT. I'm constantly checking GMT, but the 16710 bezel can also be used for timing recreational dives and parking meters. __________________ ♛16710 GMT-Master II, ♛1915 Rolex WW1 Trench Watch, Zelos Thresher 500m GMT Meteorite, Zelos Swordfish 40 200m Ti Blood Moon Meteorite, Hamilton Pilot Chronograph, Ball Roadmaster Pilot GMT COSC Chronometer, Zelos Mako 300M True GMT Meteorite, Seiko SSC813 quartz solar powered chronograph It's weird being the same age as old people. - Stan

6 December 2020, 02:39 AM	#27
kneedeep "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Not 2 far from u Posts: 3,457	GMT for functions and bezel inserts versatility. __________________ Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018

6 December 2020, 08:06 AM	#30
greenfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: George Location: Athens Greece Watch: GMT II 16710 Coke Posts: 1,046	GMT 16710 gets my vote too! 2 or even 3 time zones and the swap of bezels gives you a new watch every time. So it's a clear winner. __________________ $C:\Documents and Settings\George.HOME\My Documents\My Pictures\Rolex$

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