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cdmorenot · 22 October 2016, 07:46 AM

Hi all,

I assume this topic has been previously discussed but I could not find anything that truly answers my questions...

How long was the 16610LV produced for and why are there such swings in pricing between the different serial numbers.

For example, I see F serials and some early ones get top dollar while M serials seem to go for significantly low.

Sorry if this is a stupid question!

japenney · 22 October 2016, 07:50 AM

7 years I think. Price difference probably due to different dials ? I am not sure. I would think M serials would be high as they were some of the last ones made so that seems odd?

cdmorenot · 22 October 2016, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by japenney

7 years I think. Price difference probably due to different dials ? I am not sure. I would think M serials would be high as they were some of the last ones made so that seems odd?

I made the same assumption but the active listings on here sort of contradict that theory...

Quite frankly, I'm puzzled. But what do I know!

omitohud · 22 October 2016, 07:55 AM

only the first edition usually Y n Early F serial which has different dial n insert r consider true anniversary sub. They command a higher premium as they were only produced less than a year so quite scarce.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Loevhagen · 22 October 2016, 07:57 AM

The first: They are said to be the TRUE issue. Is that true? Not sure...

The one in the middle: Here we find the best bunch

The latest ones: As the title says - just a few but no special features

Sum-up: Ignore the s/n, the insert 4-font, the insert green colour and any other feature. Just enjoy the LV - and disregard any variation.

Dirt · 22 October 2016, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdmorenot

Hi all,

I assume this topic has been previously discussed but I could not find anything that truly answers my questions...

How long was the 16610LV produced for and why are there such swings in pricing between the different serial numbers.

For example, I see F serials and some early ones get top dollar while M serials seem to go for significantly low.

Sorry if this is a stupid question!

Not a stupid question at all.

This has to be seen in context.
The model (Kermit sub) was brought out to commemorate the 50 anniversary of the first Submariner.

The earliest examples are generally deemed to be the absolute truest to form of the model.
Disregarding dial variations, a few key distinguishing features of the earliest/truest of the model and package are as follows.
1, A "flat 4" on the green rotating bezel insert.
2, No engraving on the Rehaut.
3, The traditional Rolex anchor was in the box.

The later versions of the model do not have these qualities and by extension the market doesn't value then as highly.

jakerusty · 8 December 2016, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirt

Not a stupid question at all.

This has to be seen in context.

The model (Kermit sub) was brought out to commemorate the 50 anniversary of the first Submariner.

The earliest examples are generally deemed to be the absolute truest to form of the model.

Disregarding dial variations, a few key distinguishing features of the earliest/truest of the model and package are as follows.

1, A "flat 4" on the green rotating bezel insert.

2, No engraving on the Rehaut.

3, The traditional Rolex anchor was in the box.

The later versions of the model do not have these qualities and by extension the market doesn't value then as highly.

I have a Y (purchased new) and did not have the flat 4 on bezel.

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shou.biao.kuang · 13 December 2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jakerusty

I have a Y (purchased new) and did not have the flat 4 on bezel.

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Care to share more details, eg it is a Y9? date of purchase and country would be great. Of course, if you have a picture to show us :)

louie · 16 December 2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jakerusty

I have a Y (purchased new) and did not have the flat 4 on bezel.

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My guess you brought it preowned..

jakerusty · 16 December 2016, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by louie

My guess you brought it preowned..

No. purchased new from Rolex AD.

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Kiddodoc · 22 October 2016, 08:54 AM

I researched them for quite some time before I pulled the trigger. The early models Y/F have a lime green bezel compared to the more emerald green dials that followed. They were still in production when I purchased mine for a fellow TRFer Micah. I have the early F series and it came in the old style box, the anchor as stated above and the lime green bezel with the flat 4 and no engraving on the rehaut. Most prefer the emerald green bezel than the lime but the Y/F series definitely will command a greater price.

cdmorenot · 22 October 2016, 12:31 PM

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I have an opportunity to pick this up at what I believe is a reasonable price.

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The Libertine · 23 October 2016, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cdmorenot

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I have an opportunity to pick this up at what I believe is a reasonable price.

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Beautiful. Regret not buying when they first were released.

Tools · 22 October 2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cdmorenot

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For example, I see F serials and some early ones get top dollar while M serials seem to go for significantly low.

Sorry if this is a stupid question!

F serials were some of the first made when the variation came out in 2003 and so those would be the fewest and most closely related to any "anniversary" year.

M serials are all over the place and not as "collectible" as the more rare F serials..

Just like any other collected thing..

Soultime · 22 October 2016, 04:06 PM

I had a very early Y serial, which got stolen. It was my first Rolex.
Having noted how the price has jumped in the years since it was stolen, and done a bit of research - I now realise it was a VERY early model and would have been a good investment.

I have still got the papers for it.....

Johny · 22 October 2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Soultime

I had a very early Y serial, which got stolen. It was my first Rolex.
Having noted how the price has jumped in the years since it was stolen, and done a bit of research - I now realise it was a VERY early model and would have been a good investment.

I have still got the papers for it.....

hi. perhaps it could help in some way if you disclosed the complete serial on the forum.

Hodog16 · 22 October 2016, 10:47 PM

Man getting Y and F serials were impossible. I was on maybe 3-4 wait lists at the time with zero buying history as it was my first. Finally got the call in 2006 on a D serial. Actually got offered another about a month later, so I would say D serial is when they started becoming easier to get. Did not have engraving and still came with polishing cloth and anchor.

MSRP I think was $4575 when I bought it. My sister still wears it now. Good times.

shou.biao.kuang · 13 December 2016, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soultime

I had a very early Y serial, which got stolen. It was my first Rolex.
Having noted how the price has jumped in the years since it was stolen, and done a bit of research - I now realise it was a VERY early model and would have been a good investment.

I have still got the papers for it.....

Hope you can find it back...

Sam

omitohud · 22 October 2016, 06:32 PM

If u r anal, technically only y serial is the true anniversary. It's the 50th anniversary not 51st.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

GsurgBM · 2 November 2016, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by omitohud

If u r anal, technically only y serial is the true anniversary. It's the 50th anniversary not 51st.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Disagree. Some Early Fs were also produced and have papers dated 2003. The anniversary year.

omitohud · 2 November 2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Some Early Fs were also produced and have papers dated 2003. The anniversary year.

I stand corrected. Rolex did produce F serial dated 2003. If that's the case, Y serial is really rare then since Rolex start selling them in September if I remember correctly.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

SMD · 8 December 2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Some Early Fs were also produced and have papers dated 2003. The anniversary year.

Agreed. Mine is an F02 serial with 2003 papers.

newsboy · 14 December 2016, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omitohud

If u r anal, technically only y serial is the true anniversary. It's the 50th anniversary not 51st.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

Technically incorrect some F serial watches where dated 2003

shou.biao.kuang · 15 December 2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by newsboy

Technically incorrect some F serial watches where dated 2003

The very early F-serial were dated in 2003. Thus far, I have seen as early as
F1.2x dated 2003. (need to check again. don't have my computer with me for now).

SMD · 15 December 2016, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shou.biao.kuang

The very early F-serial were dated in 2003. Thus far, I have seen as early as

F1.2x dated 2003. (need to check again. don't have my computer with me for now).

I have F02xxxx serial from 2003.

shou.biao.kuang · 16 December 2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SMD

I have F02xxxx serial from 2003.

Apology. I should have used the word "as late as F1.2x" rather than "as early as.."

Johny · 22 October 2016, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdmorenot

Hi all,

I assume this topic has been previously discussed but I could not find anything that truly answers my questions...

How long was the 16610LV produced for and why are there such swings in pricing between the different serial numbers.

For example, I see F serials and some early ones get top dollar while M serials seem to go for significantly low.

Sorry if this is a stupid question!

hi op. I think that production ceased around 2010. the final serials were G and random.

shou.biao.kuang · 13 December 2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny

hi op. I think that production ceased around 2010. the final serials were G and random.

after V, it was the random serial.

Johny · 13 December 2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shou.biao.kuang

after V, it was the random serial.

There are G serials. they have been posted on here.

shou.biao.kuang · 14 December 2016, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny

There are G serials. they have been posted on here.

Oh really? LOL then my bad...

22 October 2016, 07:46 AM	#1
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cdmorenot 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Carlos Location: NNJ - MDE Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 3,416	20161003_185222.jpg I have an opportunity to pick this up at what I believe is a reasonable price. Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk __________________ 16570, 224270, 126610, 126334

22 October 2016, 07:50 AM	#2
japenney "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Josh Location: Canada Watch: undecided Posts: 4,777	7 years I think. Price difference probably due to different dials ? I am not sure. I would think M serials would be high as they were some of the last ones made so that seems odd?

22 October 2016, 07:55 AM	#4
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	only the first edition usually Y n Early F serial which has different dial n insert r consider true anniversary sub. They command a higher premium as they were only produced less than a year so quite scarce. I blame it on the autoconnect.

22 October 2016, 07:57 AM	#5
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,935	The first: They are said to be the TRUE issue. Is that true? Not sure... The one in the middle: Here we find the best bunch The latest ones: As the title says - just a few but no special features Sum-up: Ignore the s/n, the insert 4-font, the insert green colour and any other feature. Just enjoy the LV - and disregard any variation.

22 October 2016, 08:54 AM	#11
Kiddodoc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: Texas Watch: 15 and counting! Posts: 3,511	I researched them for quite some time before I pulled the trigger. The early models Y/F have a lime green bezel compared to the more emerald green dials that followed. They were still in production when I purchased mine for a fellow TRFer Micah. I have the early F series and it came in the old style box, the anchor as stated above and the lime green bezel with the flat 4 and no engraving on the rehaut. Most prefer the emerald green bezel than the lime but the Y/F series definitely will command a greater price.

22 October 2016, 10:47 PM	#17
Hodog16 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NC Watch: RG Olive DD40 Posts: 1,758	Man getting Y and F serials were impossible. I was on maybe 3-4 wait lists at the time with zero buying history as it was my first. Finally got the call in 2006 on a D serial. Actually got offered another about a month later, so I would say D serial is when they started becoming easier to get. Did not have engraving and still came with polishing cloth and anchor. MSRP I think was $4575 when I bought it. My sister still wears it now. Good times.

22 October 2016, 06:32 PM	#19
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	If u r anal, technically only y serial is the true anniversary. It's the 50th anniversary not 51st. I blame it on the autoconnect.

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