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Original or fake ?
all points towards fake,, but I still feel it could be original ?
u guys tell Written in front: rolex oyster perpetual superlative chronometer officially certified cosmograph Swiss made Written on back: WINNER 24 ROLEX AD DAYTONA 1992 Written on stap on the side: 16520 Strap corner: 455 R STRAP BACK: Geneve Swiss Made 18K 750 |
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Written on back:
WINNER 24 ROLEX AD DAYTONA 1992 I have seen several fakes with this written on the back......Rolex generally don't engrave on the casebacks (with the exception of the Sea Dweller) so unless someone has randomly put that on post purchase (unlikely), I would say it was a fake. Wait and see what the others have to say about it first though! Hope that helps! Chris |
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Quite simple its a fake,and most probably made in that well known horological town of wongtyme China.
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dunno guys
everybody says its fake but i think its original. Is it possible that there is a rolex with that printed on the back and nothing written between the six o clock lugs ? Just asking.. seems stupid though. I paid $6000 for this one. |
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No. According to the Antiquorum 17/Apr/2008 Rolex sports watches auction catalog, for lot 264, it shows a black dial Daytona with a case back engraved "Winner Rolex 24" and some other very small print that I can't read... The explanation stated: "Since 1991, Rolex became the title sponsor at the famous race becoming known as the Rolex 24 at Daytona. To mark this event, every winning driver of each class gets a Rolex stainless steel Daytona as a reward that bears a dedication caseback. This particular watch was won at the 1996 race in the GT category in a Porsche 996".
P.S. I'll need to dig into the forum archives to find a download link for the catalog... |
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you mean it is a fake or it is real ?
also, is there a link where i could read about this ? |
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Post some pics of the watch my good shaklebolt... all aspects of it, dial, back, bracelet, bracelet removed...
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It could be real. I don't think Antiquorum will auction fakes! That lot was quoted as $30k USD... still searching... hold on.
Here you are: http://www.pagegangster.com/shop/pub...ns/view/19913/ Scroll to page 466/ lot 264. Good luck and have fun... Will I get any commission if you make a lot of money out of it? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Ops ops. the page not found... they pulled it! meh, I'll try upload just those 2 pages then. the catalog is like 100MByte in total... |
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The catalogue is here:
http://www.antiquorum-japan.com/rolex/catalog.html I would say though that they expect 30-40,000 USD for this one due to it's limited edition nature. If you got one for 6,000, you're either very lucky or it's not genuine. Chris |
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Sorry for all of the posts but I would also say again that almost every fake daytona I've seen had that engraved on the caseback. I didn't realise it was at one point a genuine Rolex feature, albeit limited edition.
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Thanks everybody for helping. Maybe the photographs will help ?
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2careless.
Well, you have earned some commission. I'll surely send over some spoils if it comes out good! My promise. |
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That looks like fake. The catalog said that the winner gets a SS Daytona. This one is not. Also, this sample looks like the links are gold plated. Next, the sample here has "SWISS MADE". I think it should instead print "T SWISS MADE T" for that era.
Last, the "Winner" on the caseback is very different to the "Winner" of the genuine item at the auction. Argh, sorry, looks like not my lucky day :( P.S. Just saw your mentioning nothing at the 6 o'clock lug - either the number is being filed off, or it's a fake. Both are not good. |
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ouch!
Ouch, ouch, oooouch!!!!
I'm sorry to say, but the pic you posted clearly show it for what it is: a fake, like everybody else said here! (Not that there was much doubt before, but your pictures are the unfortunate proof...) I can only hope that you didn't mean it when you wrote that you put $ 6K out of your pocket for it... Or at least, if you did... hurry & try to get back your funds. Sorry for the bad news... --- Addition: Not to mention the "AD" in the wording... It should read "Winner Rolex 24 AT Daytona..."... the AD in the engraving of the case-back is... umm... rather... hilarious, I'm afraid. Plus the fact that - if truly one of the very few original Ds that were actually presented to the drivers - it should be in SS! Follow the link posted above by "dopeymuppet" and go to page 466 as he suggested. There you'll see what the original looks like... Sorry for the bad news again... :-(
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just curious, where did you buy the watch from?
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Fake Rolex
Shouldn't you be able to tell a fake by what is or isn't INSIDE the case too?
What should I look for in my SS 1992 Daytona Winner watch? Thanks. |
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Not Real
Metal looks fake as well
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Just try the pushers... guarantee on one of those "24 hour" watches they don't activate the chrono. Even though the face looks right, one will make one of the subdials advance 7 times and the other will make the other subdial advance 31 times. Second subdial is tied to the big second hand. Same movement as the "Daytona"s that show day & date on the subdial, just with a slight improvement.
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There's something not right about the crown-guards or the strap at the back...
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so its a fake after all ?
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I would say so, yes. Sorry :(
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But of course, check it out at an AD to be sure!
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I did spend $6000 on it !
I'll go to a AD to check it out. |
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hi i also have this watch im going to publish some pictures for you guys to see it even doe y went to a jewerly store and they told me the watcht was ok i have that winner at daytona 1992 24 at the back mine is a size ss
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It doesn't have any numbers written between both the 6 o clock and 12 o clock lugs.
My whole college depends on this watch's price guys.. help me out! |
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What do you mean by this statement
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A graduating friend. I thought he won't, but it looks like he bumped me. And now I don't have money to pay for college!
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