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SwissWatchExpo sold me a fake Daytona 116500 for $21,800
SwisswatchExpo out of Atlanta sold me a fake Rolex Daytona 116500 for $21,800. I bought the watch a little over a month ago, I noticed some issues with the bracelet. I asked several people their opinions on the bracelet and they said they thought it was a fake.
I texted the salesman I dealt with, he said he was not working and to email the shop...then basically said to not text him on his personal phone ever though we had communicated prior on the same phone. I emailed SwissWatchExpo telling them I believed the bracelet to be a fake. This was their reply: We can assure you that the bracelet is not fake. You have nothing to worry about! Our six, Rolex-trained watchmakers inspect, authenticate and service every timepiece prior to listing the watch for sale. If any parts are deemed non-genuine or non-authentic, we do not list the watch. The founder of our company is our head watchmaker and has been a watchmaker for almost thirty years. Almost twenty of those years had been with an authorized Rolex dealer. Had the watch had non-genuine parts, it would have been caught prior to listing the watch for sale. ------------------------ I explained I will be taking it to Rolex service center. Took it over there and they confirmed the bracelet was fake. Called SwissWatchExpo and they said they needed that in writing...asked Rolex to put it in writing, they explained they are not in the business of writing letters for people which I totally understand. SwissWatchExpo then asked me to get a quote on a new bracelet in writing. So I go back to Rolex and request that, sitting in the waiting room while they do that. The lady comes back and says we cant give you an estimate because the watch is a complete fake, gives me the watch back and explains that if it was outside of the US at a Rolex service center they would have not given the watch back. The serial number was a fake, card was fake stamped with Tourneau. I was given a refund, so thats good. I asked them 3 times where they got the watch and that I needed to know so I could post that info on the forums to alert anyone else that bought from them or their source, they refused to do so. If you have purchased anything from SwissWatchExpo , even if it was years ago, I suggest you take it to a Rolex service center if you have one close by. |
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Got any pics of the watch in question? Is this the same watch you have listed for sale currently?
Another reason why most stick with the trusted sellers on here. Glad you were able to get a refund in the end. |
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Thats very interesting. I was looking at a few watches they advertise and I drive though the Atlanta area a bit and figured I would stop in. If they dont know whats real and whats fake that isnt good at all.
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Look at the crispness and sharpness of the engraving on the movement!! |
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Yea. When Rolex looks up the serial number and it doesn’t exist I think they call it a fake. Bracelet and case were totally fake, warranty card with Tourneau name was bogus..not sure about the movement, I don’t even know if Rolex got that far, she said fake case and non existing serial are enough for them to call it a counterfeit. Swisswatchexpo claims to have 7 watchmakers on staff that inspect every single part , not sure how they didn’t know the bracelet was fake right from the start.
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Good info.
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What convinced SWE to give you a refund? They were already defensive about the bracelet, so what turned it in your favor to get a full refund for the whole watch. Fortunate indeed.
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I think Rolex service calling the watch a fake did it. They ran the serial and it was fake.
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I’m still a novice and maybe I’m wrong, but to me it has several “tells” that should make it standout as a fake fairly easily, especially to a trained eye.
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If you shine a UV light on the top left corner of the warranty card, do you see rows of 'ROLEXROLEXROLEX' light up? (wondering if fake cards have this within them)
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Swisswatchexpo is a mess. I just noticed they post full serial numbers for all their watches right on the site. Probably not a great idea to do that. If they didn’t know it was fake I think it’s pretty important they disclose where that got the watch from. They refused 3 times when I asked. I seriously doubt this was a one time thing , who knows how many people got scammed and have no clue. |
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The card was slightly peeling at the top which seems odd as an owner would normally have it in the Rolex box and was only supposed to be a few years old.
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The photos are lousy. but I am 99.9% sure the movement is genuine - no 100% sure. Case, bracelet, dial and warranty card are fake But movement is genuine! So what can you see wrong? Adam OP Could you PM me the serial number on rehaut and movement - PLEASE adam
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Glad someone chimed in on this. That watch does not have the easy tell tale signs that a normal fake does. I went though all of the movement pictures, before i saw the above post, thinking damn. that’s a solid Fake. If the movement is bad, which i don’t believe it is, it’s unbelievably good for a fake. Many people would have been fooled by this one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Movement is GENUINE Everything else fake! This is a serious ROLEX issue that they are working on! Sadly many on these forums are still living in the dark ages!
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Without violating forum rules: There is a website that sells a perfect fake movement for this watch that looks just like this. Nobody assembled all these fake parts and installed a genuine movement. The whole thing is fake. Dang it Adam. You are wrong telling people no one is producing high quality fake movements. These super fakes are in the market. People are spending hard earned money based on your advice. Quit giving bad advice. |
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Woooow this stuff get terrible scarry that card looks 100 procent genuine aswell as the watch ...
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Well, per the rules here, I like not pointing out these type things in detail, but just the ceramic bezel would make me instantly guess it was fake.
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But NOT the movement
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I just don’t get that.
Why would anyone go through such trouble to fake a watch but include a genuine movement? Perhaps OP can further clarify but I read and understood Rolex found entire watch a fake.
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They didn’t specifically mention the movement. They said they ran the serial and it didn’t exist and that the case was fake and as far as they were concerned the fake bracelet+case+fake serial and card= a counterfeit watch. They couldn’t write a repair estimate ( which is what Swisswatchexpo was asking for ) with the watch I took in there.
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Genuine movement - rest is fake, case, bracelet, dial and cards. adam
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My take is this.... you can sell two watches sourced from one. IE put a fake movement in a real case and put a real movement in a fake case. Anyone suspicious of a fake case can open it up and have their worries alleviated by a real movement. The real case, why open it at all to see the fake movement? Thats my theory buy one at retail you are in at 12,400 USD. sell two for 22k each and you still made a lot of money
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Last bastion of authenticity was the movement. That’s no longer true or the case. That watch is fake externally but most just go on the movement. If that’s good watch is good. Many dealers are now selling these. A
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