In need of second opinion on this 16760

[omar-rye]

Hi there, I'm planning to check out a 1985 GMT 16760 tomorrow and want to gather some second opinions in case I've overlooked anything. The serial number is 84*****. It features an open 6 & 9 date wheel and a gloss dial. The clasp is 62510h, and the end links are 501. I’m still waiting to get the date code on the clasp. While I haven't seen many photos, I'll be viewing it in person tomorrow. According to the seller, it has never been polished and received a service 8 years ago by an independent. Given the limited information, what would be a fair price for this piece? It’s watch only. Thanks in advance

[Dan S]

The hands look a little funny to me. Can you take a UV lamp with you?

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by Dan S

The hands look a little funny to me. Can you take a UV lamp with you?

Funny you say that because I was thinking the same thing. I am taking a uv light with me tomorrow.

[springer]

Dial is later than 8.4 million serial number. It has been changed at some point - probably because the early ones were prone to corrosion.

[omar-rye]

Because of the i in Swiss?

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by springer

Dial is later than 8.4 million serial number. It has been changed at some point - probably because the early ones were prone to corrosion.

Can you please pinpoint why? I found this post on an old thread with a 846** serial from 1985 that has the same dial as the one I'm looking at (unless I’m missing something). The one I’m looking at has a 849** serial.





https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=537129

[TimeToGo]

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Pictures are awful. Do you have anything better?

62510 with 501s?

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

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Pictures are awful. Do you have anything better?

62510 with 501s?

Sorry, it’s 502

[Old Expat Beast]

Bottom-right lug looks on the short side.

[TimeToGo]

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It could very well be, but a sharper picture will help.

[springer]

The Rolex manual lists 593 end links for the Fat Lady, while I'm sure others will work too.

Again, regarding the dial, the one currently on the watch is much later than what is correct for the era of the given serial number. But, if you think it is correct, then do what is right for you. You asked for opinions and I've given mine based on many years of ownership with these models and other GMTs.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by springer

The Rolex manual lists 593 end links for the Fat Lady, while I'm sure others will work too.

Again, regarding the dial, the one currently on the watch is much later than what is correct for the era of the given serial number. But, if you think it is correct, then do what is right for you. You asked for opinions and I've given mine based on many years of ownership with these models and other GMTs.

No problem. I just asked how you came to that conclusion so we can all learn something.

[CTech]

The dial on the watch has a shorter crown, rounded G in GMT-MASTER and the I in SWISS lines up with the 31 minute mark, all consistent with a dial called Mk 3 thought to be used from serial numbers from about 9.5 million to R, so late 1986 to 1988 or thereabouts.

A watch with a serial number around 8.4 million would not have had this dial originally but would have had a Mk 2 dial with a taller coronet, I not lining up with the 31 minute mark, etc.

The thread that you pasted part of shows the different versions at the top of the page:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=537129

[omar-rye]

Understood and I accept that information, but how do we explain Lee Fowler’s one owner GMT with a MK2 dial and a 846** serial?

[CTech]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

Understood and I accept that information, but how do we explain Lee Fowler’s one owner GMT with a MK2 dial and a 846** serial?

Do you mean Lee Fowler's with a Mk 3 dial and 846*** serial?

Probably a dial change, but without documentation I doubt anybody can know with certainty whether the watch had that dial originally.

One owner and unpolished doesn't mean never serviced, never had replacement parts, etc.

It's possible the dial was changed at some point because the original one was corroding as Springer has pointed out.

There is thought to be some overlap in two dial variations being used at the same time around 1985/1986 so there is a slight chance that it is original but there are so many watches with serial numbers a long way after 8.4 million that are fitted with the MK 2 dials that it seems extremely unlikely.

[Scaramanga74]

I´d be tempted to say it has had a polish at some time. However, it´s looking nice. Now tell us the price :)

[1675-David]

Very handsome watch, well done!

[watchfreak207]

For whatever it's worth, my 16760 has a serial 8.45M and a Mk3 dial as well.

[gates]

Nice watch, if i were to swag a number id put it in the $12k-$13k range, i have a 1987 that i had rolex change the dial and hands on in 2005 during service (lume) and id say that dropped the value into the $10Kish range. No matter its my first rolex and ill die with it.