5970r vs 5270r

[stradman]

Hi All
Would just like to hear opinions between these two watches. Which do you prefer and why?
Personally I like the slightly bigger size of the 5270r and like the in house movement....

[subtona]

the 5270R really dialed in the design.

i saw it in person recently and have to say i am a fan, especially of the cleaner dial layout.

they are both the tops.

in the long run however, i believe the 5970 is the better purchase for value retention.

[RussW]

Originally Posted by subtona

the 5270R really dialed in the design.

i saw it in person recently and have to say i am a fan, especially of the cleaner dial layout.

they are both the tops.

in the long run however, i believe the 5970 is the better purchase for value retention.

Agree, I prefer the 5270. I like the apertures to indicate leap year and day / night better on the 5270, but if I'm spending that sort of money value retention is important. That currently makes the 5970 a better buy.

[stradman]

Originally Posted by subtona

the 5270R really dialed in the design.



in the long run however, i believe the 5970 is the better purchase for value retention.

Just out of interest, why do you say that? Ok I know we don't know yet how long the 5270r will be in production, but assuming they are similar production numbers would you still say the same?

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by RussW

Agree, I prefer the 5270. I like the apertures to indicate leap year and day / night better on the 5270, but if I'm spending that sort of money value retention is important. That currently makes the 5970 a better buy.

Originally Posted by stradman

Just out of interest, why do you say that? Ok I know we don't know yet how long the 5270r will be in production, but assuming they are similar production numbers would you still say the same?

Since the 5970 has been discontinued for some time, we know its production numbers were limited. For those who were original buyers of the 5970, the watch price has appreciated a good amount and their ROI is pretty decent. However what we don't know is if it will continue to appreciate in value in the future. Like with any "investment", past performance is no guarantee of future returns if you are looking at the watch in pure financial terms. Is it a good buy at today's secondary market price? It depends on who you ask. Some may say it is overvalued now. If you love the design of the 5970 more than the 5270, then it is a different story. Pricing and value retention aside, I think the 5270R is a better watch. But in today's world where people first think of a Patek watch as an " investment", that certainly changes the story quite a bit.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by stradman

Just out of interest, why do you say that? Ok I know we don't know yet how long the 5270r will be in production, but assuming they are similar production numbers would you still say the same?

Simple reason being the 5270 uses the in house movement.

They can make as many as they want.

[sctp39]

Originally Posted by stradman

Just out of interest, why do you say that? Ok I know we don't know yet how long the 5270r will be in production, but assuming they are similar production numbers would you still say the same?

I agree. Just because it's an in-house movement, doesn't mean they will mass produce them. I am confused as to why the in-house movement subtracts value for this watch...

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by stradman

Just out of interest, why do you say that? Ok I know we don't know yet how long the 5270r will be in production, but assuming they are similar production numbers would you still say the same?

Check out the prices on the 5270 used. Just hovering over 100K. The 5970s are 30K higher. I would definitely buy the 5270r used. The best value of all them is the 5970P. They are close to 200K.

[mps354]

I'd gladly own either, but having just handled the 5970r, I'm pretty certain that would be my choice over just about anything

[Melvin_arnold]

Would take the 5270, dial layout is a lot cleaner

[Slider817]

In terms of looks, basically splitting hairs, both pretty much equal. Value retention, depending on how much you paid, probably the 5970.

However, I much prefer a watch with an In house movement, so if I was willing to tolerate some lack of appreciation, I'd go for the 5270.

[rolex_addict]

5970 for me any day

[Majin Buu]

Hi There !

Question here !

Wouldn't some luminescent markers on the dial make this timepiece very useful (daily beat) at night ?, or is it an option ?

Cheers !

MB

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

Hi There !

Question here !

Wouldn't some luminescent markers on the dial make this timepiece very useful (daily beat) at night ?, or is it an option ?

Cheers !

MB

I find Lume is only useful on the hands... To get that you have to increase your budget

[lapince]

Both are awesome, but I think I prefer by a bit the 5270R, I like it, and everyone seems to agree that the movement is better, but again both are hot… And of course the 5970 is better for collectibility, but can't go wrong with either

[topcat30093]

Originally Posted by lapince

Both are awesome, but I think I prefer by a bit the 5270R, I like it, and everyone seems to agree that the movement is better, but again both are hot… And of course the 5970 is better for collectibility, but can't go wrong with either

What Arnauld said

[yjfang]

5270R. Like the cleaner dial and the more robust, higher power reserve in-house movement. Not too worried about value retention. Just buy right from the start.

[Racerdj]

Originally Posted by stradman

Hi All
Would just like to hear opinions between these two watches. Which do you prefer and why?
Personally I like the slightly bigger size of the 5270r and like the in house movement....

I totally agree and I might add there is nothing wrong with either of these grail pieces. I really like the 5270R and was told that the production numbers will be very limited. We shall see. There is a 5270R on Chrono but I thought it was not out yet for purchase.

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by Racerdj

I totally agree and I might add there is nothing wrong with either of these grail pieces. I really like the 5270R and was told that the production numbers will be very limited. We shall see. There is a 5270R on Chrono but I thought it was not out yet for purchase.

Sorry to bump this, but curious if you heard any rumblings about the 5270R being discontinued at the upcoming Basel? I recently heard from an AD (whatever that's worth) that it will. Given the two 3rd generation WG versions (blue dial and white dial) were discontinued last year, it seems plausible. And, IIRC, the two 3rd generation WG versions had a 3 year production run, and this is the 3rd year of the RG.

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Sorry to bump this, but curious if you heard any rumblings about the 5270R being discontinued at the upcoming Basel? I recently heard from an AD (whatever that's worth) that it will. Given the two 3rd generation WG versions (blue dial and white dial) were discontinued last year, it seems plausible. And, IIRC, the two 3rd generation WG versions had a 3 year production run, and this is the 3rd year of the RG.

Will they do a p first, you think?

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Will they do a p first, you think?

They have a P, although with diamonds in the 5271. And they haven’t done a J yet. So, I’m not sure if they will discontinue the 5270 line just yet, but I was wondering about the R specifically given its 3 year run and the suggestion earlier in the thread that it would not be produced in large numbers.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Sorry to bump this, but curious if you heard any rumblings about the 5270R being discontinued at the upcoming Basel? I recently heard from an AD (whatever that's worth) that it will. Given the two 3rd generation WG versions (blue dial and white dial) were discontinued last year, it seems plausible. And, IIRC, the two 3rd generation WG versions had a 3 year production run, and this is the 3rd year of the RG.

What answer will best get you to break out that RG bad boy?

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by AK797

What answer will best get you to break out that RG bad boy?

Hear, hear! All this research and noodling about what’s next is getting me closer to that inevitably!

As an owner of the 5270r, which along with many current non-sports model Pateks not doing great in the aftermarket, I was disappointed last year when it was not discontinued with the 2 WG versions. We shall see what 2018 Basel brings...

[texex91]

Putting resale aside I like 5270.

[Majin Buu]

Hi !

I see

Thanks

MB

[unknown]

well
I always said 5970 above 5270

but this 5270 looks amazing !

Still probably the 5970 because of the movement and it will be a rarer piece but to be honest, this 5270 is imo the best 5270 until now

[conkers]

I agree, the latest 5270 versions are close to perfection - my only residual (v minor) gripe is that I wish the left and right sub-dials were at 3 and 9 exactly.

It has become a really tough decision now, but as others have mentioned, the bulletproof 5970 residuals must play a part in the decision.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by conkers

I agree, the latest 5270 versions are close to perfection - my only residual (v minor) gripe is that I wish the left and right sub-dials were at 3 and 9 exactly.

It has become a really tough decision now, but as others have mentioned, the bulletproof 5970 residuals must play a part in the decision.

On purely looks alone, I will prefer the 5270R, due to the larger case and more majestic looking lugs / case and it also have a technically more advance in-house PP movement. However, for this kind of $$$, I will presume resale will have to figure prominently into the selection criteria. And regrettably, 5270s until now isn't doing that great compare to the 5970s.

[paverman]

Originally Posted by benlee

On purely looks alone, I will prefer the 5270R, due to the larger case and more majestic looking lugs / case and it also have a technically more advance in-house PP movement. However, for this kind of $$$, I will presume resale will have to figure prominently into the selection criteria. And regrettably, 5270s until now isn't doing that great compare to the 5970s.

My thoughts as well.

[malarky_hk]

From a pure aesthetic perspective, the 5270 with the cleaner looking and undisrupted lines of the case. The slightly protruding pushers on the side, top, and bottom 5970 case kinda spoils it a bit for me.