Elegant safes for Patek and expensive collections

[jag32]

Called USAA today to add my 5130R World Time onto my valuable personal property policy and was told that it will put my collection over the threshold ($150k) for requiring a safe and they will not insure me until I obtain a safe and send them photos and the make/model, serial no. of the safe. They also would not provide any recommendations or even tell me what type or level of safe I needed, just that my collection needs to be in a safe for continuation of my policy. So this brings me to my fellow Patek WIS buddies on here who find themselves in a similar position and wanted a recommendation on what you guys use? I don’t want some ugly safe and I really enjoy displaying my collection. Any recommendations on elegant safes would be appreciated!

[martinr]

Amsec BF 3416. Not very elegant but it’s a safe. That and an engraved 1911 and your covered.

[Pateks]

Liberty gun safe. Don’t own any guns but lots of watches.

[d11n]

brown safe

https://www.brownsafe.com/man-safe/index.html

https://www.brownsafe.com/jewelry-safes/index.html

[WatchLurv]

My policy said my safe had to be over 150 Kg (330 lbs) for them to cover some sort of home insurance policy against theft/burglary.

Since you live in America, a gun safe would probably be a better option. Those are all well-above 150 kilos.

If you want to go balls-out on a safe, buy a Buben & Zorweg. They do cost an arm and a leg.

[watchucallit]

I can understand how weight is a parameter for insurance companies but do they give your brownie points if bolted to the floor?

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

My policy said my safe had to be over 150 Kg (330 lbs) for them to cover some sort of home insurance policy against theft/burglary.

Since you live in America, a gun safe would probably be a better option. Those are all well-above 150 kilos.

If you want to go balls-out on a safe, buy a Buben & Zorweg. They do cost an arm and a leg.

[garrettsuzak]

Originally Posted by watchucallit

I can understand how weight is a parameter for insurance companies but do they give your brownie points if bolted to the floor?

The heavier the better. More layers of steel in the door and sidewalls, makes it less vulnerable to a breach. Add a layer of stainless steel and now you have significant fire protection. The weight also makes it less likely to be stolen. There are home safes (vaults) that weigh 1-2 tons.

Fort Knox is the best in the business here in the USA, IMO. You can customize it how you want it and the higher end ones are definitely show pieces.

Certainly an investment and its not easy to upgrade if you need more, soo.. Build as much as your budget allows, you really only buy once anyway.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by watchucallit

I can understand how weight is a parameter for insurance companies but do they give your brownie points if bolted to the floor?

From my experience they have to be bolted down to be rated.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by jag32

Called USAA today to add my 5130R World Time onto my valuable personal property policy and was told that it will put my collection over the threshold ($150k) for requiring a safe and they will not insure me until I obtain a safe and send them photos and the make/model, serial no. of the safe. They also would not provide any recommendations or even tell me what type or level of safe I needed, just that my collection needs to be in a safe for continuation of my policy. So this brings me to my fellow Patek WIS buddies on here who find themselves in a similar position and wanted a recommendation on what you guys use? I don’t want some ugly safe and I really enjoy displaying my collection. Any recommendations on elegant safes would be appreciated!

I'm amazed they won't tell you the level of safe, my insurance company stipulated the category and the safe company I used had to verify the safe with the insurer before installation.

[Murcielagoboy2]

Originally Posted by Russell996

I'm amazed they won't tell you the level of safe, my insurance company stipulated the category and the safe company I used had to verify the safe with the insurer before installation.

Same here.

[chunkythebulldog]

First thing you need to speak to your insurers to see what they require.
In England they usually specify a safe with a cash rating value.

eg, cash rating of £10000.00 = contents cover of £100000.00 (multiple of 10 x cash)

I'm no expert on gun safes but I don't think that they have a cash rating value making the purchase pointless and would void your insurance.
Also why would you want to install a gun safe that is designed for a 4 foot long shotgun / rifle etc when you can pick up a safe to suit your needs a quarter of that size.

[cascavel]

Casoro.

[mongrelnomoad]

As above - the manufacturers will sell you a safe based on the insurance requirements (usually separate cash and contents value). Work from there.

[1688]

Brown safe with ballistic glass and ballistic armor...

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by 1688

Brown safe with ballistic glass and ballistic armor...

Wow! (and ballistic price?)

[1688]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Wow! (and ballistic price?)

Price is not as expensive as Buben & Zorweg. Brown safe with all the bells and whistles runs approx $35k including delivery. After market support is awesome...had some issues with the drawers.

[Plastique999]

Originally Posted by 1688

Price is not as expensive as Buben & Zorweg. Brown safe with all the bells and whistles runs approx $35k including delivery. After market support is awesome...had some issues with the drawers.

Is it bolted to the floor?


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[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by 1688

Brown safe with ballistic glass and ballistic armor...

Wow again!

[KBM]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

Wow again!

Make that three!

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by 1688

Brown safe with ballistic glass and ballistic armor...

Mind asking if the top piece is a 5711/1p Tiffany please?

[1688]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Mind asking if the top piece is a 5711/1p Tiffany please?

Wow..u have a really good eye! It certainly is...

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by 1688

Wow..u have a really good eye! It certainly is...

Mic drop!
Wowwwwwwwwwwwx

[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by 1688

Wow..u have a really good eye! It certainly is...

Please post it. Side by side with your 5711/1A

[Josh1000]

Basically if they safe is stolen with no watches inside you still weep

[Chiboy]

Asking for a friend: Is it overkill to have more invested in the safe than the contents thereof?

[locutus49]

USAA acted like I was the first person to ask for insurance for two precious metal Rolexes. I told the lady to check the policies of some of the Generals and get back to me. She finally insured them. We have over 100K in art, which was not a problem. We have about 80K in jewelry.

[jag32]

Originally Posted by locutus49

USAA acted like I was the first person to ask for insurance for two precious metal Rolexes. I told the lady to check the policies of some of the Generals and get back to me. She finally insured them. We have over 100K in art, which was not a problem. We have about 80K in jewelry.

As an insurance company USAA is excellent, but the people answering the phones are clueless.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by jag32

Called USAA today to add my 5130R World Time onto my valuable personal property policy and was told that it will put my collection over the threshold ($150k) for requiring a safe and they will not insure me until I obtain a safe and send them photos and the make/model, serial no. of the safe. They also would not provide any recommendations or even tell me what type or level of safe I needed, just that my collection needs to be in a safe for continuation of my policy. So this brings me to my fellow Patek WIS buddies on here who find themselves in a similar position and wanted a recommendation on what you guys use? I don’t want some ugly safe and I really enjoy displaying my collection. Any recommendations on elegant safes would be appreciated!

You need a Eurograde 2 safe for that amount of value.


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[AshAP]

Near where I live there have been some nasty burglaries in the last year where the thieves beat up the wife until the husband opens the safe, certainly a good reason to not spec the safe with a time delay mechanism.


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[jcoltrane]

I'm another Brown Safe "Man Safe" owner. Half the price of a Buben with twice the utility, big fan of their product. https://www.brownsafe.com/man-safe/m...ange_6024.html is the one I bought, customized exactly the way I wanted for about $35k including delivery.