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Secretariat · 8 January 2021, 06:33 PM

If i may ask, why are Vacheron Constantin watches being so much undervalued or not as popular as Audemar Piguet and Patek Phillipe watches when I've heard from a lot of watch people that they are just as good and from a few watch people, even a bit better, especiallly for the price?
Thanks.

fullofboats · 8 January 2021, 07:04 PM

The blue dial Overseas is also benefitting from the same hype but to a lesser degree. The white and black dial Overseas can still be bought at a discount to retail and is a great bargain. However, reality is most ppl buy watches to impress others so the entire hype trend creates either a virtuous cycle (ie RO and Nautilus) or vicious cycle (ie Overseas)

If you can get past the hype the Overseas is good value. Personally, I don’t like them because they wear large like the RO and VC doesn’t offer any Overseas below 41mm. They also don’t have hacking seconds which bothers me and I personally much prefer the RO bracelet, dial, and finishing vs Overseas.

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sgwatchguy · 8 January 2021, 07:51 PM

Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though.

KCT · 8 January 2021, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though.

They should bring back the white gold ultra thin at 40mm... preferably in SS. that is a real stunner.

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capote · 8 January 2021, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KCT

They should bring back the white gold ultra thin at 40mm... preferably in SS. that is a real stunner.

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One can hope that they discontinued it to make room to bring back the 222.

gnuyork · 9 January 2021, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though.

Agreed. And as much as I like the blue dial (and I've tried it on inperson, it's stunning) I'd prefer black. 39mm would be perfect.

Jack T · 5 February 2021, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though.

I agree, a 3 handed piece at no more than 40mm would be great.

RobHK · 15 September 2021, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Severund

Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though.

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Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though.

Deja vu?

Nathan_ · 16 September 2021, 02:31 PM

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Deja vu?

It's either a BOT or someone trying to build their post count so they can try to scam. They are doing it in other posts.. I have reported them.

1William · 8 January 2021, 11:05 PM

I do like VC and my AD was a dealer at one time but had to choose between VC and PP and we know where that went. Without access to the watches and limited in person pre-owned opportunities I am just not going to go down that road.

NYG1121 · 8 January 2021, 11:13 PM

I've tried on the VC overseas and I have smaller size wrists. I would say that the VC wears broad but not quite as big as a comparable RO 15500/15400. I think with the strap changing it adds even more versatility and that blue is gorgeous! I would absolutely pull the trigger on one in the future if opportunity arises!

kearez · 9 January 2021, 12:24 AM

Overseas is quiet large at 41M I personally prefer the RO as you can also buy the 15450.

If VC offered a 38/39 I would seriously consider it. The quick strap change system is great plus ADs would through in rubber and leather straps.

I am huge fan of the patrimony.

Vipes · 9 January 2021, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kearez

Overseas is quiet large at 41M I personally prefer the RO as you can also buy the 15450.

If VC offered a 38/39 I would seriously consider it. The quick strap change system is great plus ADs would through in rubber and leather straps.

I am huge fan of the patrimony.

VC offers a 37mm Overeas which is quite nice. https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...100a-b170.html

crod · 9 January 2021, 01:17 AM

I think the OVERSEAS is a great watch and its a great value!!! I really like more the previous generation 49150 than the current one, for some reason I just prefer the dial.

cascavel · 10 January 2021, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crod

I think the OVERSEAS is a great watch and its a great value!!! I really like more the previous generation 49150 than the current one, for some reason I just prefer the dial.

Agreed. By the way, that's a great collection you have.

RoscoPico · 9 January 2021, 02:24 AM

and here i am gearing up for the 2nd 47040 at 42mm.....
just wish it had stick markers

shafran · 9 January 2021, 04:10 AM

The overseas are amazing watches and great value. They are starting to go up in value on the secondary market and may be as hot as ap in the future. Get one while u can

bondtoys · 9 January 2021, 06:46 AM

I have sold this barely worn, full set 18 months ago for less than $15k.

Same movement like Patek, Guilloche dial - if it had Patek on the dial....

Yes, many VC are massively undervalued

mps354 · 9 January 2021, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bondtoys

I have sold this barely worn, full set 18 months ago for less than $15k.

Same movement like Patek, Guilloche dial - if it had Patek on the dial....

Yes, many VC are massively undervalued

I picked up this model about a 6 months ago, such a beautiful watch with a great movement

vdm9 · 9 January 2021, 08:02 AM

I think that the complication, detail, and access makes VC a winner
If your not a trader and use your watches for a lifetime, VC is a clear winner!
Just look at the heritage and the value in the offerings.
just my two cents
vdm

Bloomberg · 9 January 2021, 10:02 AM

It is a question of proportion: size and thickness.
I hope they will reissue a 222 one day.
Not really similar to an Overseas.

Pw92676 · 9 January 2021, 10:34 AM

VC is very well known and respected to watch enthusiasts and doesn’t get the hype it deserves. Not necessarily a bad thing for watch enthusiasts :) Nobody wants to wait years and years for a sports watch, glad the Overseas is available for folks who want it.

Megalobyte · 9 January 2021, 08:17 PM

I honestly think the new OS wears smaller than 41mm suggests. And it’s fairly thin and light. I know blue is the obvious choice but the silver is very understated and really nice looking in person.

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MCMartiny · 10 January 2021, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Megalobyte

I know blue is the obvious choice but the silver is very understated and really nice looking in person.

Fantastic shots of the silver OS!

Makes me want one!
How comfortable is the bracelet?

Megalobyte · 11 January 2021, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MCMartiny

Fantastic shots of the silver OS!

Makes me want one!

How comfortable is the bracelet?

Extremely. And it has 2 completely hidden 2mm micro extensions built into the links near the clasp. Can use one or both.

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Oxfordian · 11 January 2021, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Megalobyte

I honestly think the new OS wears smaller than 41mm suggests. And it’s fairly thin and light. I know blue is the obvious choice but the silver is very understated and really nice looking in person.

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OMG that dial is stunning, just brilliant.

Thanks for posting these pictures you have sold me on what dial colour to get and it isn't the blue or the black.

Fantastic watch with that wonderful silver sunburst dial, congratulations.

Oaker1 · 25 January 2021, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Megalobyte

I honestly think the new OS wears smaller than 41mm suggests. And it’s fairly thin and light. I know blue is the obvious choice but the silver is very understated and really nice looking in person.

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Stunning!

Patton250 · 25 January 2021, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Megalobyte

I honestly think the new OS wears smaller than 41mm suggests. And it’s fairly thin and light. I know blue is the obvious choice but the silver is very understated and really nice looking in person.

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Nah. The blue for this particular reference is a horrible looking blue especially compared to the blues from Patek, AP and Rolex. Silver for this reference is perfect. I’ve owned both and I got rid of the blue. Now as far as size goes it’s too freaking big. Just like the 15500. This reference would be much better off in 39mm. Or why not offer both sizes? Also I cannot believe this reference doesn’t hack. I realize that’s not important to some of the non WIS people but to me it’s very important. Still though I enjoy mine even though it looks big on my wrist. The strap change is brilliant and the bracelet is the best looking in its class in my opinion.

NYG1121 · 25 January 2021, 02:12 AM

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Nah. The blue for this particular reference is a horrible looking blue especially compared to the blues from Patek, AP and Rolex. Silver for this reference is perfect. I’ve owned both and I got rid of the blue. Now as far as size goes it’s too freaking big. Just like the 15500. This reference would be much better off in 39mm. Or why not offer both sizes? Also I cannot believe this reference doesn’t hack. I realize that’s not important to some of the non WIS people but to me it’s very important. Still though I enjoy mine even though it looks big on my wrist. The strap change is brilliant and the bracelet is the best looking in its class in my opinion.

I cant tell if you like or hate your watch?

Patton250 · 25 January 2021, 02:46 AM

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I cant tell if you like or hate your watch?

Absolutely love it. One can criticize and still love something.

8 January 2021, 06:33 PM	#1
Secretariat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Michael Location: Philippines Posts: 1,730	Vacheron Contantin- Undervalued If i may ask, why are Vacheron Constantin watches being so much undervalued or not as popular as Audemar Piguet and Patek Phillipe watches when I've heard from a lot of watch people that they are just as good and from a few watch people, even a bit better, especiallly for the price? Thanks.

8 January 2021, 07:51 PM	#3
sgwatchguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Real Name: KP Jimmy Location: Singapore Watch: R/AP/FPJ/Hermès/et Posts: 6,597	Too large for me. They should do a 39mm overseas and more people will bite. The open worked PC is drop dead gorgeous though. __________________

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crod 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: - Watch: FPJ OPTIMUM Posts: 142	I think the OVERSEAS is a great watch and its a great value!!! I really like more the previous generation 49150 than the current one, for some reason I just prefer the dial. __________________ AP 15202 - AP ROC - PP 5711 - FPJ OPTIMUM - FPJ CB - FPJ CS HAVANA- FPJ OCTA CALENDRIER - FPJ OCTA LUNE - FPJ QP - ROLEX GMT 1675 -116509 - ALS DATO 403.035

9 January 2021, 08:17 PM	#23
Megalobyte "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Ari Location: Florida Watch: ...me go broke Posts: 2,428	Vacheron Contantin- Undervalued I honestly think the new OS wears smaller than 41mm suggests. And it’s fairly thin and light. I know blue is the obvious choice but the silver is very understated and really nice looking in person. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

8 January 2021, 07:04 PM	#2
fullofboats "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 528	The blue dial Overseas is also benefitting from the same hype but to a lesser degree. The white and black dial Overseas can still be bought at a discount to retail and is a great bargain. However, reality is most ppl buy watches to impress others so the entire hype trend creates either a virtuous cycle (ie RO and Nautilus) or vicious cycle (ie Overseas) If you can get past the hype the Overseas is good value. Personally, I don’t like them because they wear large like the RO and VC doesn’t offer any Overseas below 41mm. They also don’t have hacking seconds which bothers me and I personally much prefer the RO bracelet, dial, and finishing vs Overseas. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

8 January 2021, 11:05 PM	#10
1William 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 45,237	I do like VC and my AD was a dealer at one time but had to choose between VC and PP and we know where that went. Without access to the watches and limited in person pre-owned opportunities I am just not going to go down that road.

8 January 2021, 11:13 PM	#11
NYG1121 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: NE Posts: 2,781	I've tried on the VC overseas and I have smaller size wrists. I would say that the VC wears broad but not quite as big as a comparable RO 15500/15400. I think with the strap changing it adds even more versatility and that blue is gorgeous! I would absolutely pull the trigger on one in the future if opportunity arises!

9 January 2021, 12:24 AM	#12
kearez "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: 36000FT Posts: 701	Overseas is quiet large at 41M I personally prefer the RO as you can also buy the 15450. If VC offered a 38/39 I would seriously consider it. The quick strap change system is great plus ADs would through in rubber and leather straps. I am huge fan of the patrimony.

9 January 2021, 02:24 AM	#16
RoscoPico "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Real Name: Chris Location: USA Watch: ingMe,WatchingYou. Posts: 1,462	and here i am gearing up for the 2nd 47040 at 42mm..... just wish it had stick markers

9 January 2021, 04:10 AM	#17
shafran "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: woodmere,ny Posts: 562	The overseas are amazing watches and great value. They are starting to go up in value on the secondary market and may be as hot as ap in the future. Get one while u can

9 January 2021, 06:46 AM	#18
bondtoys "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: World Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,722	I have sold this barely worn, full set 18 months ago for less than $15k. Same movement like Patek, Guilloche dial - if it had Patek on the dial.... Yes, many VC are massively undervalued

9 January 2021, 08:02 AM	#20
vdm9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Real Name: vasilios Location: New York Watch: datejust 41 Posts: 106	I think that the complication, detail, and access makes VC a winner If your not a trader and use your watches for a lifetime, VC is a clear winner! Just look at the heritage and the value in the offerings. just my two cents vdm

9 January 2021, 10:02 AM	#21
Bloomberg "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Paris Posts: 85	It is a question of proportion: size and thickness. I hope they will reissue a 222 one day. Not really similar to an Overseas.

9 January 2021, 10:34 AM	#22
Pw92676 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Georgia Posts: 6,172	VC is very well known and respected to watch enthusiasts and doesn’t get the hype it deserves. Not necessarily a bad thing for watch enthusiasts :) Nobody wants to wait years and years for a sports watch, glad the Overseas is available for folks who want it.

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