How slow is too slow?

[overdraft]

I have a 2021 No Date Sub 124060. It's running sliiiiightly more than 2 seconds a day slow. Closer to 2 seconds than 3 seconds, but still technically outside the advertised 2 seconds a day.
Take it in? Or is that not outside spec enough...
Thanks for your thoughts!

[OrangeSport]

They'll sort it if you want them too


I prefer a fast watch.. not sure why though..

[HideMyWalletPlease]

I personally wouldn’t notice because I switch watches often, don’t use winders, sometimes don’t wear a watch at all. All of my watches get worn at least 3 or 4 times a month but I’m constantly having to reset them.

I guess the answer is it wouldn’t bother me. Even if it were my only watch I wouldn’t mind resetting it every 30 days when it was one minute off. I would wait abs see if it gets worse.

[Mendota]

Technically, certified chronometer specs are within -4 / +6 per day. Rolex dials theirs in to be within -2 / +2 but that is your call. According to the Swiss, that's well within spec of how it was certified when the movement went back to Rolex after certification to be cased into your watch.

[Joearch]

A couple of seconds a day would not bother me. Would not even notice it.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

I wouldn’t service now. One of the most important sayings I’ve learned is “sometimes the cure is worse than the disease”

Just enjoy it right now.

[overdraft]

As Orangesport says I'm not sure I'd even be asking the question if it was this much fast as opposed to this much slow. I guess a fast watch will never make you late, although clearly this is all in our heads.
But beyond the question of whether it's worth bothering, would the AD say, piss off, that's close enough, or would they actually deal with it?

[HideMyWalletPlease]

Originally Posted by overdraft

As Orangesport says I'm not sure I'd even be asking the question if it was this much fast as opposed to this much slow. I guess a fast watch will never make you late, although clearly this is all in our heads.
But beyond the question of whether it's worth bothering, would the AD say, piss off, that's close enough, or would they actually deal with it?

Deal with what? There is no issue to deal with.

[overdraft]

Originally Posted by HideMyWalletPlease

Deal with what? There is no issue to deal with.

um, it's running outside the advertised spec? that's pretty much an issue, no?

[doboy007]

Originally Posted by overdraft

um, it's running outside the advertised spec? that's pretty much an issue, no?

Not really. I wouldn't want them messing with my new watch, even at RSC.

[joli160]

It starts bothering me when any of my watches is a few minutes of in a week or so. Seconds per day I am not missing

[aayates]

I have the same watch; mine is about 2 seconds slow per day. I just set the watch 30 seconds fast and it does fine for a month. I would not worry about this at all, unless the deviation increases. Queue Padi...

[overdraft]

I guess my thinking is also influenced by the fact that my previous sub was well inside 1 second so this one's more than 100% worse than my last one...

[MINOLI]

I wouldn't bother sending in for regulating over milliseconds out of spec.

My SD43 was running 7-8 seconds slow per day a few years ago, sent it in and had it serviced. Since then it is consistently 2-2.5 seconds fast per day, not worth sending again and being without it.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by MINOLI

I wouldn't bother sending in for regulating over milliseconds out of spec.

My SD43 was running 7-8 seconds slow per day a few years ago, sent it in and had it serviced. Since then it is consistently 2-2.5 seconds fast per day, not worth sending again and being without it.

A good result

[RFC]

For some reason the new 3230 movements run a tad slow. Mine’s also a 124060 (same watch) and hovers at -.50 to -1 sec. /day. If you leave it overnight dial up it will speed up a bit. Mentally I prefer my 14060M though it runs at +3 sec./day but the new Sub is more accurate. Go figure.

[16610Swiss]

wear it for a good 6 months it will get better

[overdraft]

Originally Posted by 16610Swiss

wear it for a good 6 months it will get better

Ya, I've heard this sort of thing before... but if you understand materials and machinery I don't think it makes sense... is the thought that it's built with tolerances that are too tight and that's making it run slow? If so, how frightening would it be to believe that the parts would wear enough in six months to effect the accuracy... what would that wear rate mean over the ten years that the watch is supposed to last before servicing?

[HideMyWalletPlease]

Originally Posted by overdraft

Ya, I've heard this sort of thing before... but if you understand materials and machinery I don't think it makes sense... is the thought that it's built with tolerances that are too tight and that's making it run slow? If so, how frightening would it be to believe that the parts would wear enough in six months to effect the accuracy... what would that wear rate mean over the ten years that the watch is supposed to last before servicing?

It sounds like you’re not enjoying the watch and obsessing over .5 seconds a day out of spec. I’m not trying to insult you but you might be a little OCD which in itself isn’t a bad thing but if it’s causing you not to enjoy life then what’s the point.

Or maybe looking at your post count, you’re trolling us???

[16610Swiss]

Originally Posted by overdraft

Ya, I've heard this sort of thing before... but if you understand materials and machinery I don't think it makes sense... is the thought that it's built with tolerances that are too tight and that's making it run slow? If so, how frightening would it be to believe that the parts would wear enough in six months to effect the accuracy... what would that wear rate mean over the ten years that the watch is supposed to last before servicing?

I have my sub for 20 years now and never ever serviced, you can see my recent thread. It was running consistently 2.5 to 3.5 seconds a day, 3 months ago its been running consistently 1.5 to 1.7 seconds a day since...

[KermitGang]

There’s always the risk something happens to your watch when it’s outside your posession. Let’s say it was accidentally scratched. Then you’re choosing between a scratch and a polish job. I would rather live with the extra half second than take the risk.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

Originally Posted by KermitGang

There’s always the risk something happens to your watch when it’s outside your posession. Let’s say it was accidentally scratched. Then you’re choosing between a scratch and a polish job. I would rather live with the extra half second than take the risk.

I can completely see a scenario where he is told “within spec” and the watch is retuned with more scratches than it has now. Obsessing over things just leads to more things to obsess over. It’s like a loop.

[Dirt]

I wouldn't be concerned about it, as long as it remains consistent and not getting worse, which is a possibility with these new movements.
Enjoy it as is but keep an eye on it in case it starts to progressively slow down even more. That's when you'll know you have an issue worth worrying about.
In the interim, try a little self regulation by experimenting with different resting positions overnight to pick up some of that lost time or perhaps even all of it.

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by Dirt

I wouldn't be concerned about it, as long as it remains consistent and not getting worse, which is a possibility with these new movements.
Enjoy it as is but keep an eye on it in case it starts to progressively slow down even more. That's when you'll know you have an issue worth worrying about.
In the interim, try a little self regulation by experimenting with different resting positions overnight to pick up some of that lost time or perhaps even all of it.

This.

[Roddypeepa]

Originally Posted by overdraft

I have a 2021 No Date Sub 124060. It's running sliiiiightly more than 2 seconds a day slow. Closer to 2 seconds than 3 seconds, but still technically outside the advertised 2 seconds a day.
Take it in? Or is that not outside spec enough...
Thanks for your thoughts!

Nope it’s fine. Temperature, position, activity, resting position, tension in mainspring etc


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[brandrea]

I’d more more concerned with consistency. If it’s running 2.5 seconds slow per day and it’s consistent, I wouldn’t touch it. It’s still with COSC specs

[TunaTuna]

Completely normal, that's good performance actually

[2001jesper]

Stop measuring and enjoy your watch instead. No reason to go grey over milliseconds

[doboy007]

Ultimately it’s your watch so do what YOU want to do. It feels like you don’t want to listen to all the people who are against opening up a well functioning new watch just for fraction of a sec.

[overdraft]

Originally Posted by doboy007

It feels like you don’t want to listen to all the people who are against opening up a well functioning new watch just for fraction of a sec.

Seriously? A couple of people floated the caveat that the dealer may damage it, which is an interesting perspective that I will take onboard before making any kind of a decision, however I had not said anything about what I intended to do…
The vast majority of the responses fall under 1. Why they wouldn’t care, 2. I should just enjoy my watch, and 3. operation outside the advertised specs is unimportant.
However I wasn’t asking people’s thoughts on whether they would send it to be adjusted, I was asking if it the dealer would adjust it for that small an amount outside spec.
Regardless, thanks for the responses and the interesting chatter!
PS. I love my watch. I thought i would prefer it over my old 114060 and I do.