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16 January 2020, 03:34 AM | #1 |
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To my U.K. TRF brethren, can you explain meghanexit?
Just casually following this story in the news but I don’t understand what the heck is going on. So the Prince and Princess have asked to be removed from the Royal family? What does that mean? I have read suggestions that there was sever tension between the Queen and other members because the Prince married a bi-racial American, and they were never accepted in to the family, hence the request by the couple.
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16 January 2020, 03:38 AM | #2 |
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Paul - I think that it may have something to do with him being a rotorhead, and not a fixed wing guy....\
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I don't speak UK but, I can do my best American:
Buddy of mine married into a family that hated him from day one. The wife decided after a couple of years that the best way to fix the problem would be to move closer to her family, both for the family help and because "getting to know you will help them love you." Within six months of the move, she had filed for divorce and moved into a new house, where she lives with her parents and kids and he pays all the bills. My buddy lives back in his hometown now; he couldn't quite make his unique skill set work anywhere else. The more I have talked to people about his story, the more common it seems to be. Who'd have thunk it? Classic American tale, I guess... Slightly different situations, of course, so I'm sure the UK couple is just fine. |
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Harry has always had a strained relationship with the media stemming from his mother's death. He also seems to be the most "normal" out of a family of people a number of whom are eccentric, out of touch beyond belief and thicker than constipated bowel movements.
His marriage to a mixed race American of all people has brought more press scrutiny than ever and now he has an excuse to get away from the whole weird setup. BTW I think the technical term is Megxit
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I am an American, but here is what I heard:
In exchange for their royal duties, members of the royal family receive a stipend from the queen. For Harry and Meghan, this is $5m annually (unclear on if that’s 5m each or combined). They will be giving up that stipend and no longer participate in their royal duties (public appearances, events, etc).
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16 January 2020, 05:26 AM | #7 |
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It’s all a bit of a fuss about nothing.
Everyone loved Harry. We all felt sorry for him as a lad following his mothers coffin in the public eye, and that created a bond with the British people. Harry then turned into a bit of a lad, did stuff that royals aren’t supposed to do, and was a bit of a ladies man. Harry then did military service and saw action, firmly establishing himself as favourite royal. To add to that he did a bunch of stuff like the Invictus games. His stock could not have been higher. Then he met Meghan. And that was good. We liked Suits. Meghan was nice and attractive. So we liked Meghan. But...the British Press are a nasty bunch, and they love to tell a story. Harry hates the press following the blame apportioned to them for Diana’s death. And whilst the bloodline to King will largely be left alone, the brother of the the to-be king is fair game. The press then tore into Meghan about her treatment of her father. And every headline had a negative bias. Unfortunately, over here, that sells papers. Harry and Meghan have had a Royal strop and want to go from being major royals to minor royals (fewer duties. Fewer constraints, less cash). Something like that anyway. There are now two sides to the British public on this, it seems to be the way we operate now over here, nobody can be in the middle, must be extreme. Side one. British press are a disgrace and racist, and the royal family don’t like Meghan because they too are racist. Side two. Harry and Meghan want their cake and eat it. They want to be partially funded by the tax payer whilst selling themselves for commercial gain. So...take your pick. Personally, I can see both sides. I would however say that I don’t like the way people are using the race card. This exact same things happened to Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. Hard to believe now, but Prince Andrew was once the one everyone liked. Good looking man when younger, ladies man (known as randy Andy), served in the military (falklands I think). All a bit rushed and on my phone, sorry. But hopefully you get the gist. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Careful, everyone ... lol
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16 January 2020, 06:04 AM | #9 |
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The French got it right.
There are ways to deal with all that blue blood stuff. Hey look, it's not really blue. |
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Good point, though shouldn't the castle, like many in Europe, be made into a public museum so their citizens who paid for it get to enjoy it. Just seems weird that just because you are born into a family means you get preferential treatment in this day and age. Have enjoyed visiting many castles owned by 'rulers', and they're wonderful. Perhaps it's time England does the same as many other EU countries.
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I’m not sure I buy the racism angle either (aside from Phil the Greek, natch). Of course it’s possible especially as a lot of folk of the Queen’s generation can be unwittingly prejudiced but there’s no evidence for it. Also Liz isn’t stupid enough to ever let her facade slip to anybody who would tell tales.
It’s far more likely that Meghan is looked down on for being a commoner i.e. not a chinless, gormless member of the aristocracy. Quote:
The biggest one, Windsor, is open to the public. Buckingham Palace is also partially available to tour.
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A nice solution would be to have citizens of England put it up for vote to continue, or to slowly migrate away and hand everything back to the people who paid for it all. Am truly happy that the couple are choosing each other over continuing what i see as very outdated ways. Many countries have long moved away from such a structure.
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Here’s my theory:
William was naughty. Meghan hung out to dry to divert press. Harry unhappy. Threatens to reveal who his Dad really is. Queen panics. Sends them fully-paid anywhere they like.
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Megan can't take the scrutiny which comes with the territory marrying into the royal family, she would of been warned.
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The Queen has had a perfect reign, the royal family are very popular in the UK and would vote overwhelmingly to keep them, but it wouldn't take a lot for the public to turn, that's why it doesn't need any more upheaval.
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An article lifted from another site......
It’s 2020 and the British Crown is more popular inside the US than the president. I mean really think about that. Pause to consider the reaction of a Brooklyn insta-witch when she sees an actual prince at some restaurant in Williamsburg. The gormless worship of tyranny. After 700 seasons of The Crown, she has dispatched her hottest grandchildren to the US. They will settle in New York and weave their way into the very top of the NYC-DC wasp power pyramid, giving an ostensibly foreign power the best seat at the table it has had since Churchill. Over the decades, the business and political intelligence sent back to the Court of St James's will be priceless. And sooner or later, ol’ Megs and Haz will marry off their kids into billionaire banking families, thus spawning an actual dynasty. I penned most of this newsletter on a Thursday after seeing the news and then woke today to gauge how the reaction is going on Twitter. America, you simply aren’t ready for the kind of public game this family plays. This is exactly what I said would happen in the ‘pages’ of this very newsletter. And some of you guys are all cheering it like it’s some indy power move from a dynamic young couple. It isn’t. Not just because he’s a ranking member of the Royal Family. He’s also a Lieutenant Commander of the Royal Navy, Major of the British Army and Squadron Leader of the Royal Air Force. This is the very definition of a foreign agent. “Stepping back” from the Royal Family? Yeah, maybe to make a new one in West Britannia. Surprise engagement of a major-but-unthreatening-to-the-lineage royal to an ethnically-appropriate-for-the-21st-century woman who just happens to be from the country of highest geostrategic interest over the next fifty years. (Look who Lizzie’s married to. Racism is a family business.) Brexit. Britain looks to the Commonwealth and the Anglo-American alliance. Harry moves his American family to the US, in a cosmic ticker tape parade that will go on for months. Now, it’s important to realise that even if you think a former TV actress both surprised and outplayed the longest reigning monarch of one of history’s most dangerous organisations -not a good read, IMHO, but whatever- the scenario I have just laid out happens, anyway. It’s similar everywhere, but no where is it more obvious than in the US that governance is pay-for-play at all levels. Think of all those transatlantic deals that will go through this elite British/US nexus now. Do you think whichever military contractor gets the deal for providing data services to the privatised version of the NHS will land said deal without a nod (and probably a clip of the ticket)? This is Carroll Quigley redux, one way or the other. Welcome back to the Commonwealth, Americans. Best brush up on your cricket. None of the above are my words but it does put an interesting spin on things. |
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Here inside the US, though, I'm not seeing much popularity for "The Crown." Upper, middle-class white women who drink glasses of wine by the bottle, they love that stuff. The other 299,9xx,xxx don't have any idea which is which or who is related to whom and don't care to know. Old saying, "politics is Hollywood for ugly people." Neither Harry nor Meghan is going into politics, which means they think they're going to influence Hollywood. He's already lobbying. Harry is a Prince in Great Britain. In Hollywood, he's an older, balding ginger who used to be a Prince. And, let's face it, she ended up with Harry exactly because she's not Hollywood enough (and they know this or they'd be talking about something other than voice-over work). The novelty will wear off with those two before it even starts. |
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Good points, I'll bow out. Thanks for being patient with me.
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There's you answer Paul!
Fwiw, I think this is was all brilliantly timed and planned on H&M's part well before the wedding. If it was a traditional business move, it would be a solid case study on strategy. It's also a win for the full time Royals if you take a step back and see the mutual benefits and opportunities. The Queen is clever. She knows how to manage this and Charles was going to cull the paid roles anyway when he's King. Kudos to all. |
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Try as I might, I can't seem to muster the energy to give a hoot. Best wishes to the couple and their family.
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I found this interesting:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tandards-royal The Danny Baker thing was, um, something. If you don't know you are better off. |
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What I can say for a fact is he's a bloody good guy, what you see is what you get.
The reaction has been completely disproportionate. We are only getting a fraction of the truth. Until we are armed with it all it's near impossible to assess |
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I keep thinking the Queen will outlive Charles...
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