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kans86 · 1 April 2020, 09:32 AM

I am being offered these two. Both are in mint condition, full set. The one from 2019 is in slightly better condition and still under warranty. The one from 2006 has never been serviced. The price difference is about 11k USD.

Could 5711 owners/enthusiasts tell what would be your choice and why? As far as I know there are some aesthetic and technical differences among the two. Thanks

francoamerican · 1 April 2020, 10:02 AM

Does the 2019 have the brand new LIGA movement ?

ts3 · 1 April 2020, 10:17 AM

Couple of thoughts...

1) The 2006 will have Cal 315 or 324 and the 2019 will have Cal 324 or the current 330. Cal 330 is hacking while 315 and 324 are not. The 5711 w the 3Hz 315 is quite rare and has slightly more power reserve vs the 4Hz 324 and 330.

2) The 2006 has the Geneva Seal and screwed bracelet links whereas the 2019 has the Patek Seal and pins to connect the links.

3) Service cost is around USD 1.5k - you can check the exact figure on the German Patek website. I have been happy w the Munich Service Center so far and drop off stuff myself.

If the difference in condition is minimal I'd likely get the 2006 watch and save USD 9+k accounting for a service. It has the Geneva Seal and the screws in the bracelet which I prefer. It won't have hacking seconds like one of the later 2019 models with Cal 330 but that doesn't matter to me.

kans86 · 1 April 2020, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by francoamerican

Does the 2019 have the brand new LIGA movement ?

Yes, it has the new movement with hacking feature.

thomaspp · 1 April 2020, 10:38 AM

Hope they are cheap...

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kans86 · 1 April 2020, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thomaspp

Hope they are cheap...

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About 20-25% lower than normal grey prices few months ago.

kans86 · 1 April 2020, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts3

Couple of thoughts...

1) The 2006 will have Cal 315 or 324 and the 2019 will have Cal 324 or the current 330. Cal 330 is hacking while 315 and 324 are not. The 5711 w the 3Hz 315 is quite rare and has slightly more power reserve vs the 4Hz 324 and 330.

2) The 2006 has the Geneva Seal and screwed bracelet links whereas the 2019 has the Patek Seal and pins to connect the links.

3) Service cost is around USD 1.5k - you can check the exact figure on the German Patek website. I have been happy w the Munich Service Center so far and drop off stuff myself.

If the difference in condition is minimal I'd likely get the 2006 watch and save USD 9+k accounting for a service. It has the Geneva Seal and the screws in the bracelet which I prefer. It won't have hacking seconds like one of the later 2019 models with Cal 330 but that doesn't matter to me.

Thank you for the insights.

How about cosmetic variants?

chmhill · 1 April 2020, 11:21 AM

2019

Muxi · 1 April 2020, 11:24 AM

2019

cozy2009 · 1 April 2020, 11:29 AM

Geneva seal

francoamerican · 1 April 2020, 11:36 AM

The % off would be a factor me personally.

So if it’s 60 vs 50 2019 for certain

or 50 vs 40 probably 2006

thomaspp · 1 April 2020, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kans86

About 20-25% lower than normal grey prices few months ago.

Ugh sounds expensive

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Ichiran · 1 April 2020, 02:00 PM

Why don't you buy it brand new from AD at MSRP, or even better, at a discount?

tyngshen · 1 April 2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichiran

Why don't you buy it brand new from AD at MSRP, or even better, at a discount?

+1, wouldn't be buying over retail right now

Ichiran · 1 April 2020, 02:25 PM

.

francoamerican · 1 April 2020, 02:42 PM

DM me if any dealers have 5711 at retail. (Lol)

yoast · 1 April 2020, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tyngshen

+1, wouldn't be buying over retail right now

+2

cascavel · 1 April 2020, 05:28 PM

For a net discount of $9K, after movement service: 2006. Keep in mind that it will probably need a service immediately to function properly.

mongrelnomoad · 1 April 2020, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by francoamerican

DM me if any dealers have 5711 at retail. (Lol)

Hey, I was here first!

Lol.

ts3 · 1 April 2020, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kans86

Thank you for the insights.

How about cosmetic variants?

The logo on the dial was updated in 2018, Cal 330 has a different rotor shape from the 315 and 324, and the dials are supposed to have came in slightly different colors over time. Around 2009 there was also the so-called LED dial with wider stripes but that won't matter for 2006 vs 2019.

cascavel · 2 April 2020, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ts3

The logo on the dial was updated in 2018, Cal 330 has a different rotor shape from the 315 and 324, and the dials are supposed to have came in slightly different colors over time. Around 2009 there was also the so-called LED dial with wider stripes but that won't matter for 2006 vs 2019.

I think you are correct about the dial color, too. The newer dials are a brighter, more sapphire color whereas the earlier blue 5711 dials are flatter and matte.

AK797 · 2 April 2020, 04:41 AM

New mvmnt, new dial for me.

francoamerican · 2 April 2020, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ts3

The logo on the dial was updated in 2018, Cal 330 has a different rotor shape from the 315 and 324, and the dials are supposed to have came in slightly different colors over time. Around 2009 there was also the so-called LED dial with wider stripes but that won't matter for 2006 vs 2019.

I forgot about that logo change. I definitely prefer the smaller logo. I’d lean 2006 now

gqmagic · 2 April 2020, 05:38 AM

2006 and save the money

February 2010 model

Fat_ninja · 2 April 2020, 05:46 AM

Personally I’d wait

Johndong888 · 2 April 2020, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Personally I’d wait

WHOA WHO IS THIS DUDE

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Fat_ninja · 2 April 2020, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Johndong888

WHOA WHO IS THIS DUDE

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Take my advice...

Blend the Donuts into the coffee. Lol

HauteHorlogerie · 3 April 2020, 07:48 AM

2019

GB-man · 3 April 2020, 07:52 AM

Whichever one is 11k less. No brainer

Daytonaman799 · 4 April 2020, 10:11 PM

Id wait. I think those prices are going lower. However, between the two...2006. Geneva Seal, screws much better IMHO.

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kans86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,340	5711 year 2006 or 2019? I am being offered these two. Both are in mint condition, full set. The one from 2019 is in slightly better condition and still under warranty. The one from 2006 has never been serviced. The price difference is about 11k USD. Could 5711 owners/enthusiasts tell what would be your choice and why? As far as I know there are some aesthetic and technical differences among the two. Thanks

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1 April 2020, 10:02 AM	#2
francoamerican "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: bay area Posts: 571	Does the 2019 have the brand new LIGA movement ?

1 April 2020, 10:17 AM	#3
ts3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Europe Posts: 3,220	Couple of thoughts... 1) The 2006 will have Cal 315 or 324 and the 2019 will have Cal 324 or the current 330. Cal 330 is hacking while 315 and 324 are not. The 5711 w the 3Hz 315 is quite rare and has slightly more power reserve vs the 4Hz 324 and 330. 2) The 2006 has the Geneva Seal and screwed bracelet links whereas the 2019 has the Patek Seal and pins to connect the links. 3) Service cost is around USD 1.5k - you can check the exact figure on the German Patek website. I have been happy w the Munich Service Center so far and drop off stuff myself. If the difference in condition is minimal I'd likely get the 2006 watch and save USD 9+k accounting for a service. It has the Geneva Seal and the screws in the bracelet which I prefer. It won't have hacking seconds like one of the later 2019 models with Cal 330 but that doesn't matter to me.

1 April 2020, 11:21 AM	#8
chmhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Watch: PP Posts: 239	2019

1 April 2020, 11:24 AM	#9
Muxi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,823	2019

1 April 2020, 11:29 AM	#10
cozy2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NYC Watch: 5070 Posts: 154	Geneva seal

1 April 2020, 11:36 AM	#11
francoamerican "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: bay area Posts: 571	The % off would be a factor me personally. So if it’s 60 vs 50 2019 for certain or 50 vs 40 probably 2006

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Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,591	Why don't you buy it brand new from AD at MSRP, or even better, at a discount?

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Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,591	.

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francoamerican "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: bay area Posts: 571	DM me if any dealers have 5711 at retail. (Lol)

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cascavel 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Santa Fe Posts: 1,852	For a net discount of $9K, after movement service: 2006. Keep in mind that it will probably need a service immediately to function properly.

2 April 2020, 04:41 AM	#22
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,213	New mvmnt, new dial for me.

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gqmagic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Near LA Posts: 244	2006 and save the money February 2010 model

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Fat_ninja Banned Join Date: May 2018 Real Name: Jonathan Location: USA Watch: P-01 Posts: 11,772	Personally I’d wait

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HauteHorlogerie Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: My house Watch: 519LN \| 64A Posts: 1,241	2019

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Daytonaman799 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NYC/South Fl Watch: Rolex, Patek Posts: 3,499	Id wait. I think those prices are going lower. However, between the two...2006. Geneva Seal, screws much better IMHO.

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