16710 with 3186 cost

[enrico@]

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gmt m.jpgcan you check this card of my 16710 M thanks

[Golden Ellipse]

Originally Posted by watch this

a major sucker play imo.

+1

[ROLEX MAN]

Stuff the "hype" wearing mine now, wouldn't sell it.

Have had a "pepsi" since I was 25, now I'm 60!

Not one to let go for anything!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by SearChart

That is both a 3186 spring, but one the weak first version and the other the updated good one

The 3185 has a pretty different system, with the whole clicking mechanism inside the GMT wheel, covered by a jewel plate.

Thanks for the confirmation.

I though one was a 3185 and the other a 3186.
I couldn’t see how they could be interchangeable given the dimensions.

Now I know, thanks.

[inadeje]

Here’s a full explanation of the rarity of the 3186

https://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.php

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Guess I’m lucky. My 116710 from fall of 2007 (early M serial) is still going strong and hasn’t seen its first service yet.

I remember at the time I purchased, you could still obtain the 16710, and there was speculation that the 3186 ones could be worth more. People were divided, as they were about the future valuations of the Kermits. Guess the naysayers were wrong as these models are stupid expensive now.


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Same thing happened to me. I had the chance to get a Kermit in 2008 for $5k new at an AD. I was dead set on the Deep Sea and that’s what I got. Wish I knew then what I knew now.


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[jbglx]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

JustRolexes has a couple, with the upper one being $35k

https://www.sdwatches.com/product/ro...186-nib-nos-2/

Strange , as I was looking the photos of that add , noticed that the rehaut didn´t had the rolexrolex engraved . An M serial NOS 3186 should have it .
Beeing that was the last bacht of 16710 ever manufactured .
What do you think ?

[Onequik135i]

The last batch of M 16710’s never came with the engraved Rehaut to my knowledge.

[Frakis]

Originally Posted by Onequik135i

The last batch of M 16710’s never came with the engraved Rehaut to my knowledge.

You are correct. The 116710 M-serial had an engraved rehaut, but not the 16710 M-serial.

[huba01]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Here’s a full explanation of the rarity of the 3186

https://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.php

Thanks for sharing, a great read.

[Nikrnic]

No reason to pay that much of such a hyped premium, same movement with a tweek that amounts to nothing really. If you buy nos you can't wear it or you ll blow 10k. I'd buy, (I did buy) the best condition full set 3185 available. I paid a decent yet fair price for mine and wear and enjoy it almost daily.

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[ras47]

Originally Posted by sillo

Any specific reason you need the 3186? The premium for them is pretty crazy and you're really boxing yourself in with that need.

Plus, if it fails like so many of them do, Rolex replaces the bad parts with... wait for it... wait for it... 3185 parts.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by ras47

Plus, if it fails like so many of them do, Rolex replaces the bad parts with... wait for it... wait for it... 3185 parts.

Most parts are interchangeable anyway

[Crazy Lugs]

Originally Posted by ras47

Plus, if it fails like so many of them do, Rolex replaces the bad parts with... wait for it... wait for it... 3185 parts.

LOL. Seriously?!?

[1665fan]

Wouldn’t the 1999 swiss only 16710 be more rare than the 3186? Or about the same

[bp1000]

Mine is a late z serial

Purchased it in 2013 - Old style warranty card however. Think they came in on M

[Frakis]

Originally Posted by bp1000

Mine is a late z serial

Purchased it in 2013 - Old style warranty card however. Think they came in on M

Some 3186 movements have been found in the 16710’s as early as the late Z-serial’s.

[bp1000]

Originally Posted by Frakis

Some 3186 movements have been found in the 16710’s as early as the late Z-serial’s.

Yes this has it.

Another difference on the dial I have is notice the hour indices printed on the dial are flared and not just fatter sticks.

Don't think that has been discussed before.

All this is moot to me as I will never sell it. And I didn't buy it with this knowledge.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Here’s a full explanation of the rarity of the 3186

https://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.php

And full of bullsh~te misinformation first the Daytona had a parachrom hairspring at launched way back in 2000 but then it was more of a grey colour now blue by a chemical oxidation process .Second the so called stick dial was nothing more than a simple font change much like the hundreds of other over the past 50 years.And many so called stick or mistake dialled 16710 had a cal 3185 in the case.And how anyone can call any watch rare when there is well over a thousand or more in this world defeats me.The internet is a wonderful place for hype so the sellers can drive prices up jumping up for joy at these price some are willing to pay.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Most parts are interchangeable anyway

But not that pesky click spring Bas.

[jbglx]

Originally Posted by Frakis

You are correct. The 116710 M-serial had an engraved rehaut, but not the 16710 M-serial.

So there was 3186 GMT´s 16710 with no rehaut engraved ?

[sheldonsmith]

Originally Posted by padi56

And full of bullsh~te misinformation first the Daytona had a parachrom hairspring at launched way back in 2000 but then it was more of a grey colour now blue by a chemical oxidation process .Second the so called stick dial was nothing more than a simple font change much like the hundreds of other over the past 50 years.And many so called stick or mistake dialled 16710 had a cal 3185 in the case.And how anyone can call any watch rare when there is well over a thousand or more in this world defeats me.The internet is a wonderful place for hype so the sellers can drive prices up jumping up for joy at these price some are willing to pay.

FWIW, I’m not a dealer, just an enthusiast. I’ll that I have learned/gained re Rolex has been through readings forums like TRF and from my own personal experiences with the Rolexes I’ve owned.

The dial information came from TRF and a few other forums running at the time. I reposted it so that we can reference this information without having to sift through historical TRF / Watchuseek information

Correct on the Daytona hairspring (as far as I know), but when the Daytona was released in 2000 there was nothing from Rolex that substantiated /clarified a Parachrome hairspring that was not blue. Now newer Daytona’s have Parachrome hairsprings out of the chute.

~ Sheldon

[007_Omega]

Originally Posted by padi56

And full of bullsh~te misinformation first the Daytona had a parachrom hairspring at launched way back in 2000 but then it was more of a grey colour now blue by a chemical oxidation process .Second the so called stick dial was nothing more than a simple font change much like the hundreds of other over the past 50 years.And many so called stick or mistake dialled 16710 had a cal 3185 in the case.And how anyone can call any watch rare when there is well over a thousand or more in this world defeats me.The internet is a wonderful place for hype so the sellers can drive prices up jumping up for joy at these price some are willing to pay.

The sellers laugh their asses off and the buyer feels special. Remember when the 16710 was just a 16710? Literally saw a guy try to ridicule someone who had a Pepsi bezel on their 16710 but it was "originally" a coke and he said you can't call it a Pepsi.

Everyone is taking 4-digit logic and trying to translate it into 5 and 6 digit watches. The more collector and value conscious the market is, the less likely massive appreciation will happen.

4-digit models are worth an arm and a leg because they the SS sports watches were considered high-end tool watches. The box and papers were commonly thrown away or lost and people actually used their watches so they became worn. People didn't look at them as investments and that is why they ended up becoming so collectible today.

What is important is condition. Way too many overpolished 5-digit models. Get something that has been lightly polished/properly polished or an unpolished example (take care to do your research as many people are misrepresenting this) and you're good to go.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by Frakis

Some 3186 movements have been found in the 16710’s as early as the late Z-serial’s.

Makes sense since late Z was when the 116710 went on sale...


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[msdtra]

I am going for the 2005 D or 2006 Z with 3185 Movement as the premium for the 3186 movement in 2007 M serial is way to high.

I did see one sell on the forum for like $15K few weeks back.....

I know 2-3 dealers have in stock and all above $24K.

[msdtra]

Watch On classifieds $18.5k 16710 2007 M serial from Nashvillewatches lowest price I have seen for that movement. But, still premium as compared to $10-$12K for year or two earlier with 3185 movement.