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[huncho]

Originally Posted by texasmade

This race is a disaster. Nothing but RF, VSC’s, and SC.

yeah huge mess all around. i wonder if max would've been able to keep the lead without having to give it up anyway, his tires were done on lap 46? or 47. lewis looked so locked in those last few laps

[1st amg]

Looks like quite the grand finale for the last race


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[texasmade]

Originally Posted by huncho

yeah huge mess all around. i wonder if max would've been able to keep the lead without having to give it up anyway, his tires were done on lap 46? or 47. lewis looked so locked in those last few laps

I really hope there are adjustments made to the track to make it safer with less wrecks.

[SDGT3]

Race of the decade and not exactly for the best of reasons.

The 5 Second Penalty was unnecessary. That's when the race changed. Max knew he could never clear LH by 5 seconds so it was no use in fighting him further. MaFIA decided today's race.

[SDGT3]

SKY still trying to figure out what the 5 second penalty was for.

[Uggi]

Best part was Verstappen stomping off the podium in a sulk. Took his ball home in a proper huff.
Silly little boy.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

SKY still trying to figure out what the 5 second penalty was for.

Verstappen now has five points against his F1 license.

[2001jesper]

Difficult with the break-test and if there is anything at all there. However, think it's an issue that Max "cant" be passed on the outside, as he continuously breaks to late to make the corner, causing a crash/no crash scenario. Didn't get punished in Brazil, there were 5 seconds here. Somewhat similar situation in Monza imo.
The argument of being side-by-side is also a bit underwhelming, as you will ultimately always end up being on the side, if you are not breaking for the corner.

[SDGT3]

The radio comment between Mercedes and the FIA was telling. Mercedes didn't know that the FIA told Max to give the spot back which led to Lewis hitting Max in the back. There was plenty of room on the inside for Lewis to pass, but I think he was being:

1. Cautious on a VSC again

2. Didn't know what was going on and was unsure about passing and getting some type of penalty

The Max giving Lewis the spot a second time. It was never mentioned if he was told to give up the place again or not.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The radio comment between Mercedes and the FIA was telling. Mercedes didn't know that the FIA told Max to give the spot back which led to Lewis hitting Max in the back. There was plenty of room on the inside for Lewis to pass, but I think he was being:

1. Cautious on a VSC again

2. Didn't know what was going on and was unsure about passing and getting some type of penalty

The Max giving Lewis the spot a second time. It was never mentioned if he was told to give up the place again or not.

saw people point out that it was right before a DRS zone so max wanted to give the lead away where he did and retake during DRS zone while lewis wanted to overtake during the DRS zone instead and tried to hold off as long as he could. your reasons make a lot of sense too, lot of confusion after the kind of race it was

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Verstappen now has five points against his F1 license.

Did Max get penalty points today?

[Wes911]

Lots of craziness in that race.
Whether you are a Max or Lewis fan they are square going into the last race and next weekend should be super exciting.
Hoping we get a cleaner race and it is actually decided on the track and not by some penalty nonsense.
I am pleased they are tied because now we shouldn't have to worry about one of the teammates coming in late for tires to get the fast lap point and having that single point be the decider. It will all come down to Max vs Lewis. Also hoping for no mechanical failure on either car to settle it.

[2001jesper]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Did Max get penalty points today?

Yes! 1 point, so five in total for the past 12 months

[NAVY]

Originally Posted by 2001jesper

Yes! 1 point, so five in total for the past 12 months

Where did you see or hear this?

[2001jesper]

Originally Posted by NAVY

Where did you see or hear this?

If you google "FIA F1 decision documents" then it will take you to the below site, where they list all the incidents, team summons and decisions. Think its the same source all the tv networks use

(https://www.fia.com/documents/season...hampionship-14)

You will also see there that there is no final classification yet, and hence discussions are ongoing

[2001jesper]

and he got a few more

Car 33 braked in a manner which caused a collision with Car 44 in turn 26.
Breach of Article 2 (e) Chapter IV Appendix L of the FIA International Sporting Code.
10 second time penalty imposed after the race (10 seconds added to elapsed race time).
2 penalty points (total of 7 for the 12 month period).

The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 33 (Max Verstappen), the driver of car 44 (Lewis Hamilton) and team representative, reviewed the video and telemetry evidence and determined that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly at fault.
At turn 21 the driver of car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to car 44 and was told by the team to do so “strategically”. Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing. In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration.
Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS.
However, the sudden braking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.

[enjoythemusic]

So he brake checked.

Next race i'd have BOT take out VER and be done with Max's antics.

[denmanproject]

No shortage of drama this race lol, next one will be interesting all tied up in points

[AshAP]

Both Martin Brundle and Damon Hill say that Verstappens driving fell below the required standard today. Clearly some people like Verstappen for driving in such an aggressive way but it isn’t working in his favour with the stewards. Hopefully he’ll grow up before someone gets killed.


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[shaunylw]

This thread feels like the FIA, apparently the mods love Hamilton too and dumped my comment.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

This thread feels like the FIA, apparently the mods love Hamilton too and dumped my comment.

I think that might be because of your offensive reference (p****) towards Hamilton.


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[2001jesper]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

This thread feels like the FIA, apparently the mods love Hamilton too and dumped my comment.

Well, hoping for violence is above the line. Furthermore the data from Max’s car showed that he actually did break-check Lewis. Its literally specified just above

“In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration”

[huncho]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Both Martin Brundle and Damon Hill say that Verstappens driving fell below the required standard today. Clearly some people like Verstappen for driving in such an aggressive way but it isn’t working in his favour with the stewards. Hopefully he’ll grow up before someone gets killed.


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it's unfortunate because there's no doubt that he's a super talented driver but he's out here driving like he's playing a video game not realizing he's gambling with life. maybe saying this is over exaggerating because of how much safer f1 is nowadays but last year showed everyone that it still is as dangerous as it can be with grosjean's crash

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I think that might be because of your offensive reference (p****) towards Hamilton.


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I called him a whiner. But that sort of language might be too vile for some crowds.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by 2001jesper

Well, hoping for violence is above the line. Furthermore the data from Max’s car showed that the actually did break-check Lewis. Its literally specified just above

Violence?! Lol. Good thing you’re a race fan in the modern era, past years would be too violent for you.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Race of the decade and not exactly for the best of reasons.

The 5 Second Penalty was unnecessary. That's when the race changed. Max knew he could never clear LH by 5 seconds so it was no use in fighting him further. MaFIA decided today's race.

I agree it wasn’t the best race or racing - embarrassing at some points. Nobody was covered in glory.

VER could have avoided that first 5sec. penalty if his team was smarter. They outsmarted themselves by dawdling on the giveback. Horner caused his own driver to get that one in my opinion. VER driving was just stupid.

The second penalty for 10sec. showed exactly what the Stewards knew about VER tactics. Data confirms what was seen.

Neither driver demonstrated the stuff on track that fans expect of an F1 champion. HAM also cautioned a B&W would come out if he persisted.

Even the RD came up short by mis-meddling. I really shouldn’t say anything more.

Yas Marina will be the stage - “the play’s the thing”.
Ah, but who will be Hamlet?…and who will be Claudiustappen among the players???


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[AshAP]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

I called him a whiner. But that sort of language might be too vile for some crowds.

I thought you said whining little P****? It’s gone now anyway.

It’s a real shame because Verstappen is extremely talented however his dangerous driving style is due IMO to a character flaw rather than superior talent.


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[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I thought you said whining little P****? It’s gone now anyway.

It’s a real shame because Verstappen is extremely talented however his dangerous driving style is due IMO to a character flaw rather than superior talent.


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No no, I know not to cross that line . I imagine it was the crash mention. I think he’s likely extremely talented due to his aggressive style.

He puts the car in what some would call dangerous positions and essentially puts other drivers at a decision. They can give up the position or potentially get run off the track or worse. I wouldn’t want to race against him, but as a fan it’s interesting. Thankfully nobody has been hurt but i imagine that can only go on for so long. They will need to make the penalties much more severe to chill him out. 10-15 seconds would likely get it done.

MOD NOTICE. Yes you did cross that line, then criticized mods for removing your profanity. Take a week off.

[77T]

Originally Posted by AshAP

It’s a real shame because Verstappen is extremely talented however his dangerous driving style is due IMO to a character flaw rather than superior talent.

Agree VER is gifted with natural fast-twitch skills - but is flawed by slow-twitch or even no-twitch character.


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[Reign]

Awful track - money can’t buy everything

Merc got super lucky (saying this as a Merc fan)

Max needs to cut the “I win or we crash mentality”

Happy everyone made it through in one piece.

I feel awful for Ocon but really happy Bottas got the podium

Abu Dhabi finally getting what they pay F1 for, a finale for the ages


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