5513 Mk1

[silkroaded]

Hi All,

I’d really appreciate your thoughts on this 5513 mk1.

Case looks strong and dial is reportedly flawless.

The two areas of concern for me are that insert looks to be a later mk3 and the hands look lighter. It may be that different tritium was sourced separately for the dial / hands and that they are original but I guess difficult to know.

If anyone with more experience could share their views they would be most welcome.

Link to the dealer site and associated watch below

Thanks

https://www.mjwatches.co.uk/vintage-...ful-dial-case/

[beachboy17]

A beautiful piece from a reputable seller. I was looking at it myself. Marc, has some quality pieces.

[swaini3]

nice case, dial and insert. The hands are a little lighter as you mentioned. Insert should be ok, I dont see it as later.

[Dan S]

I would like to see a UV shot to check that the hands aren't luminova. If all the lume is dead, then you're good to go.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I would like to see a UV shot to check that the hands aren't luminova. If all the lume is dead, then you're good to go.

This.

A must!

[Filipão]

So, this dial is as white as most maxis MK1.

No one still has a clue about this fact...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=870916

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Filipão

So, this dial is as white as most maxis MK1.

No one still has a clue about this fact...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=870916

The OP’s dial seems a bit creamier/darker than yours.

[Noahgraph]

The listing is literally saying it has a Mark III insert. Nice watch!

[TuRo]

Marc is a properly knowledgeable, reputable and friendly chap.

[swish77]

I'm an admitted nitpicker, but I'm not crazy about the extra wide chamfers on the lugs of a late '70s Sub. I know Bexley's was well known for doing this when servicing/polishing cases, so perhaps that's what happened.

Also, I'd ask for better photos of the dial/hands, including UV shots, as mentioned above. Why on earth would a supposedly good dealer show the hands on top of each other like that so you can't really get a good idea of their condition and just how light they are compared to the dial patina? The watch is pushing $19000, so I'd want a much better way to analyze if buying based just on photos.

Sometimes raw natural-light photos, with the time set to 10:10, are much better than these "pretty" dealer shots.

[karleone]

The watch has a very sharp and strong case with nice chamfers and V brushing on lugs. The dial is very nice and in great condition. As mentioned above a UV shot would be nice.

[silkroaded]

Thanks all for the feedback. Hands and pip are both tritium and the dial is perfect. Hands are a shade lighter, though probably not so much that they would bother me. Could the tritium have come from different suppliers therefore aged differently or more like been replaced? If the latter is this a deal breaker for many?

[Dan S]

I'm not concerned about small differences in tone, I would be more concerned that the hands are luminova. How do you know they are tritium? Do you have UV photos?

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by pauldavidthorpe

Marc is a properly knowledgeable, reputable and friendly chap.

Yes 100% agree.

[springer]

I agree with Swish regarding the chamfers. Someone got carried away with the equipment while re-working the chamfers. Clearly cut way too much and does not look original.

I would have left them alone.

[silkroaded]

Originally Posted by springer

I agree with Swish regarding the chamfers. Someone got carried away with the equipment while re-working the chamfers. Clearly cut way too much and does not look original.

I would have left them alone.

Thanks for the feedback. If the chamfers have been recut that would be a deal breaker for me. Did the late 5513 not have chamfers like this?

[swish77]

Originally Posted by silkroaded

Thanks for the feedback. If the chamfers have been recut that would be a deal breaker for me. Did the late 5513 not have chamfers like this?

The case has definitely been worked on. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it would depend on how picky you are. Overall the case is fairly thick, but the chamfers on the lugs are wider than they should be, IMHO, if you're looking for originality. Subs from the '60s into the early '70s had wider chamfers.

For comparison, here's a photo of an untouched lug on another late '70s 5513 (taken from the Sheartime archives) next to a photo of a lug on the Sub in question. You decide.

[Filipão]

Very educative, @swish77, thank you.

[karleone]

Originally Posted by swish77

The case has definitely been worked on. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but it would depend on how picky you are. Overall the case is fairly thick, but the chamfers on the lugs are wider than they should be, IMHO, if you're looking for originality. Subs from the '60s into the early '70s had wider chamfers.

For comparison, here's a photo of an untouched lug on another late '70s 5513 (taken from the Sheartime archives) next to a photo of a lug on the Sub in question. You decide.

I usually agree on most of your comments but I disagree here. Watches were polished by hand and chamfers width vary from different eras and can of course differ from a watch to another one. Imho the bevels / chamfers from OP watch are from factory and not refinished.

[springer]

Originally Posted by karleone

I usually agree on most of your comments but I disagree here. Watches were polished by hand and chamfers width vary from different eras and can of course differ from a watch to another one. Imho the bevels / chamfers from OP watch are from factory and not refinished.

Here are a couple more 5513 photos to go along with those posted by Swish. Based on my experience and ownership of several 5513 models in the past, to include a few unpolished models, these photos, as well as the photos depicted in Swish's post, are accurate depictions of original chamfers - whether hand or machine made.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by karleone

I usually agree on most of your comments but I disagree here. Watches were polished by hand and chamfers width vary from different eras and can of course differ from a watch to another one. Imho the bevels / chamfers from OP watch are from factory and not refinished.

Yes, factory case finishing varies depending on the era, but 5513s within those eras are fairly consistent. Some subtle variations perhaps, but this difference for a late '70s Sub is not subtle, IMHO.

[Kingface66]

[QUOTE=mattiascott0212;12377546]

Originally Posted by silkroaded

Hi All,

I’d really appreciate your thoughts on this 5513 mk1.

Case looks strong and dial is reportedly flawless.

The two areas of concern for me are that insert looks to be a later mk3 and the hands look lighter. It may be that different tritium was sourced separately for the dial / hands and that they are original but I guess difficult to know.

If anyone with more experience could share their views they would be most welcome.

Link to the dealer site and associated watch below

Thanks


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