The Official Formula One Thread!

[HMHM]

It was only a matter of time! Binotto refused to be honest with SF shortcomings in terms of their strategy and had many times chose to turn a blind eye to their incompetence! If only he had the balls to revamp the strategy department, he would not have to resign! Instead, now we have strategists asking drivers "questions" while they are going at 300km/h, only driver to go on intermediate tyres while everyone else was on slicks etc....

Great engineer, horrible manager... BUT i am not sure if Fred Vasseur is the solution.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Merry Christmas to all the F1 fans.

See ya next season. Go McLaren.

[enjoythemusic]

Lovely car control 'clinic'. Going off-track looks a bit sketchy tho

Happy Holidays

[77T]

Happy Boxing Day
(Resource: https://m.economictimes.com/news/new...w/96511802.cms)

Or…the First Day of the 12 Days of Christmas.

Now are you getting ready?


Road America has fun with snow and cars.

For F1: a season in review
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...vsoWhoswB.html

And the silliness video:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...QOnn1SBIP.html


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[enjoythemusic]

i'd LOVE to see a few F1 in-the-snow races. Raise the ride height, give them 'snow tyres' and have at it racing. C'mon FIA, do it, DO IT!!! :)

PS: Paul, take a Bentley Conti out in the snow, it's the most fun i ever had in that fat pig of a car.

[INC]

[77T]

It’s all fun even working through the holidays with “sausage making” - enjoy the reviews.

Was just looking at FIA’s Auto journal and saw this Rolex advert (below) that brought me back to my “wonder years”. It reminded me of why most fans watch. The excitement without having to fiddle with all the minutiae in the code.



And the inset photo is what caught my attention…


Air, my friends, air…the ultimate lightness of racing.

Yes, dangerous - but was often the difference between the timid and the bold drivers. Like the pilot’s saying: “There are old drivers and there are bold drivers; but there are no old bold drivers.” To Sir Jackie who led the safety charge in the old days.

Sorry for the graininess - it’s a screenshot.

Here’s to another season ahead - now I’ve got to go to a Zoom to develop 2023 training material.


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[jatco]

\/...fabulous stuff.
Love the "air" shot.
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[SDGT3]

Who's in?

Caesars Entertainment has announced a $5 million 'Emperor Package' for the Las Vegas Grand Prix 💰
It includes 12 Paddock Club tickets. Five nights at the Nobu Sky Villa hotel. A culinary experience with Chef Nobu Matsuhisa. Two tickets to Adele's residency at Caesars Palace.

For the price of $5m for 1 race, I need a seat fitting in the Red Bull car paired with Max and strictly no team orders. I'm not pulling aside for him in my only race.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Who's in?

Caesars Entertainment has announced a $5 million 'Emperor Package' for the Las Vegas Grand Prix 💰
It includes 12 Paddock Club tickets. Five nights at the Nobu Sky Villa hotel. A culinary experience with Chef Nobu Matsuhisa. Two tickets to Adele's residency at Caesars Palace.

For the price of $5m for 1 race, I need a seat fitting in the Red Bull car paired with Max and strictly no team orders. I'm not pulling aside for him in my only race.

Yeah,..no kidding.
5g...that's a lot of coin... Only in Vegas can you be gouged to that extent..But, they'll be takers I'm sure...

[tifosi]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Who's in?

Caesars Entertainment has announced a $5 million 'Emperor Package' for the Las Vegas Grand Prix 💰
It includes 12 Paddock Club tickets. Five nights at the Nobu Sky Villa hotel. A culinary experience with Chef Nobu Matsuhisa. Two tickets to Adele's residency at Caesars Palace.

For the price of $5m for 1 race, I need a seat fitting in the Red Bull car paired with Max and strictly no team orders. I'm not pulling aside for him in my only race.

Sure, I'll take one of the 12 tickets. Thanks!

[JoeJoeBobo]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Who's in?

Caesars Entertainment has announced a $5 million 'Emperor Package' for the Las Vegas Grand Prix 💰
It includes 12 Paddock Club tickets. Five nights at the Nobu Sky Villa hotel. A culinary experience with Chef Nobu Matsuhisa. Two tickets to Adele's residency at Caesars Palace.

For the price of $5m for 1 race, I need a seat fitting in the Red Bull car paired with Max and strictly no team orders. I'm not pulling aside for him in my only race.

Let me check my sofa and get back to you.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBobo

Let me check my sofa and get back to you.

[INC]

Originally Posted by tifosi

Sure, I'll take one of the 12 tickets. Thanks!

I'm sorry, Chewbacca already reserved these places for his staff.

[JoeJoeBobo]

F1 has to accept this bid right?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/andret...ral-motors-f1/

Also hearing Cosworth back as engine producers for 2026.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBobo

F1 has to accept this bid right?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/andret...ral-motors-f1/

Also hearing Cosworth back as engine producers for 2026.

No. Toto has already been very vocal against adding new teams to the grid, I suspect this will be a bit more of a fight for Andretti still. However, having GM involved should certainly help.

[SDGT3]

Reports out of Europe today is that an Andretti/Cadillac team would initially be powered by a Renault engine badged as Cadillac, not unlike the "Infiniti" badging of the Renault engines Red Bull used to use over a decade ago.

Some of the pushback against Andretti coming into F1 may be due to possible sponsorship losses to established teams from American sponsors. Google, Microsoft and FTX (which were removed from the Mercedes toward the tail end of the season) just to name a few.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Reports out of Europe today is that an Andretti/Cadillac team would initially be powered by a Renault engine badged as Cadillac, not unlike the "Infiniti" badging of the Renault engines Red Bull used to use over a decade ago.

Some of the pushback against Andretti coming into F1 may be due to possible sponsorship losses to established teams from American sponsors. Google, Microsoft and FTX (which were removed from the Mercedes toward the tail end of the season) just to name a few.

I would bet all the $ in my sofa that FTX will not be sponsors of any cars on the 2023 grid. Lol

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by V25V

No. Toto has already been very vocal against adding new teams to the grid, I suspect this will be a bit more of a fight for Andretti still. However, having GM involved should certainly help.

Adding more cars to the grid would be a mess. If someone wants to watch an overly full grid, go see Indycar.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by Doc Savage

Adding more cars to the grid would be a mess. If someone wants to watch an overly full grid, go see Indycar.

Oh really? Can you elaborate on how or why exactly that would be?


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[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by Doc Savage

Adding more cars to the grid would be a mess. If someone wants to watch an overly full grid, go see Indycar.

I’ve attended many IndyCar races at Belle Isle in Detroit. 26-28 cars raced each time, and the starts were clean and fast. They hit the start line at 150 mph and entered the first corner at 110 and did fine.

The starts in F1 used to be clean for the most part, but the past few years, they’ve turned into a demolition derby due to aggressiveness and unwillingness to let up.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Doc Savage

Adding more cars to the grid would be a mess. If someone wants to watch an overly full grid, go see Indycar.

How about a 103 or 105 percent rule? If a team car can't be within 103% in lap time as compared to the second-fastest car, your car does not get to compete within that race.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

How about a 103 or 105 percent rule? If a team car can't be within 103% in lap time as compared to the second-fastest car, your car does not get to compete within that race.

Still waiting for his explanation for why it would be worse than what we have now. F1 produces awful racing, 2 or maybe 3 teams in the same ballpark and a bunch of drama. And I have yet to see an F1 driver come over and show us how it's done. So why can't F1 have more than 20 cars on a grid? I have heard arguments about certain tracks not having paddock space, garages, etc to allow for it. But efficiency, global warming, net zero, electric cars, bla bla bla. So that doesn't add up, you can't fit 4 more cars (2 teams) and all of their infrastructure in these paddocks? They are resistant because people like Toto don't want to cut up the FIA pie funds more ways.....But yada yada F1>IndyCar.


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[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

I’ve attended many IndyCar races at Belle Isle in Detroit. 26-28 cars raced each time, and the starts were clean and fast. They hit the start line at 150 mph and entered the first corner at 110 and did fine.

The starts in F1 used to be clean for the most part, but the past few years, they’ve turned into a demolition derby due to aggressiveness and unwillingness to let up.

I would love to see a race at Belle Isle. It's close to where I live now.

Indycar races start cleaner because they don't start from zero. Rolling starts are less risky (and less exciting, imo). But passing in Indycar is more dangerous because the track is more crowded. Plus, there is a culture of more aggressive driving in Indycar (NASCAR, too), that makes them more dangerous.

I agree that F1 starts have had an increase in accidents in the past few years. That's due to jockeying for position when the differences in cars' acceleration ability can mean fast place changes. Once they get past the first few turns, the crashes dramatically reduce. Many F1 races are completed without a crash at all.

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

How about a 103 or 105 percent rule? If a team car can't be within 103% in lap time as compared to the second-fastest car, your car does not get to compete within that race.

That's an interesting proposal. I'm wondering how many cars this would eliminate?

[enjoythemusic]

F1 has... ummm... 'devolved'. Think of it more like sports entertainment... or a human circus... and it's far more enjoyable. For open-wheel racing, i love watching European F4. Wish I lived near SCCA tracks as I did previously, always an awesome weekend and you can camp out for fun too. Also lend a hand if a driver walls during qualification and needs hands to get the car race ready.

[buckrogers0025]

Originally Posted by V25V

And I have yet to see an F1 driver come over and show us how it's done.

Really?

Well, since IndyCar hangs their hat on the Indianapolis 500 - how about a list of F1 drivers who came over and showed how it was done and won at Indy:

- Jim Clark (2 F1 championships)
- Graham Hill (2 F1 championships)
- Mario Andretti (1 F1 championships)
- Emerson Fittipaldi (2 F1 championships)
- Jacques Villeneuve (1 F1 championships)
- Takuma Sato (2 Indy 500 wins)
- Juan Pablo Montoya (2 Indy 500 wins)
- Takuma Sato (2 Indy 500 wins)

The list of IndyCar drivers besides Mario Andretti to win ANYTHING in F1:

- Zero

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by V25V

Still waiting for his explanation for why it would be worse than what we have now. F1 produces awful racing, 2 or maybe 3 teams in the same ballpark and a bunch of drama. And I have yet to see an F1 driver come over and show us how it's done. So why can't F1 have more than 20 cars on a grid? I have heard arguments about certain tracks not having paddock space, garages, etc to allow for it. But efficiency, global warming, net zero, electric cars, bla bla bla. So that doesn't add up, you can't fit 4 more cars (2 teams) and all of their infrastructure in these paddocks? They are resistant because people like Toto don't want to cut up the FIA pie funds more ways.....But yada yada F1>IndyCar.

Getting a little testy, eh? Be patient. Some of us have to work.

The pit/garage space is an issue, and your "bla bla bla" response isn't a convincing refutation. But it's not the most important issue. You seem to ignore the main problem, which is space on the track during the race. The number of Indycar crashes are significant, and they are due in part to the number of cars on the track.

Originally Posted by V25V

And I have yet to see an F1 driver come over and show us how it's done.

That's because they tend to prefer driving F1. If you were given the choice of driving on historic F1 tracks around the world, from Silverstone to Monza to Monaco to Baku, et at, vs the Indycar circuit (including the boring ovals), which would you choose?

You're clearly an Indycar fan. That's great. So why all the concern about how many cars F1 has on the track? Just so you can troll F1 fans?

[buckrogers0025]

Actually... I stand corrected...

Juan Pablo Montoya DID come from IndyCar and did pretty well in F1 with seven race wins!

[JoeJoeBobo]

Originally Posted by buckrogers0025

Really?

Well, since IndyCar hangs their hat on the Indianapolis 500 - how about a list of F1 drivers who came over and showed how it was done and won at Indy:

- Jim Clark (2 F1 championships)
- Graham Hill (2 F1 championships)
- Mario Andretti (1 F1 championships)
- Emerson Fittipaldi (2 F1 championships)
- Jacques Villeneuve (1 F1 championships)
- Takuma Sato (2 Indy 500 wins)
- Juan Pablo Montoya (2 Indy 500 wins)
- Takuma Sato (2 Indy 500 wins)

The list of IndyCar drivers besides Mario Andretti to win ANYTHING in F1:

- Zero

^

Takuma Sato of Super Aguri is so good he is listed twice and one of my favorite drivers of that era.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by buckrogers0025

Actually... I stand corrected...

Juan Pablo Montoya DID come from IndyCar and did pretty well in F1 with seven race wins!

Mario ran US car programs way before F1 as well.

But I would take Indy 500 wins aside. Nobody has come over in recent years as F1 washouts and destroyed IndyCar drivers through a season. And that's with top flight teams.

I'll give you Emmo but try to show me one recent example..... there are none.


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