Prices slump by up to 50% for discontinued Rolex watches (Watchpro)

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

Chase at Nashville watch has one listed at $61 that has just been sitting for weeks

https://nashvillewatch.com/product/v...20-box-papers/

Thanks, I just got PP 5712G at a reasonable price (but still higher than msrp). I will wait for awhile for VC OS.

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by Benzsiam

Thanks, I just got PP 5712G at a reasonable price (but still higher than msrp). I will wait for awhile for VC OS.

Congrats!! You have quite a collection based on your sig

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

same here. still have it and think it'll stay. I'd honestly go for a 15300 over a jumbo / I don't personally like the lack of quick set or seconds hand despite the history behind the 15202.

That being said - the proportions of the 15450 are nice / good fit for my wrists. 39mm would work well too tho. But don't think it's worth putting out extra cash for the marginal increase in size.

yeah i don't think the premiums on the jumbos are at all worth it. i'm happy with what i have although i think the end game is an openworked in 37 or 39. maybe in another lifetime lol

[PBJ1925]

326934 - New, White Sky on Oyster. 18.9k
126610LV - Exc. full set. 11/2022 - 15.7k

Both crickets.

[Bstewart]

There's been quite a few pretty cheap deals on (non-blue) Sky-Dwellers lately I've noticed.

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by PBJ1925

326934 - New, White Sky on Oyster. 18.9k
126610LV - Exc. full set. 11/2022 - 15.7k

Both crickets.

I think I saw the white sky - if it's the same one looks like it sold.

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

I think I saw the white sky - if it's the same one looks like it sold.

Yes, looks like it sold shortly thereafter. Not much of a markup over retail with consideration to tax and likely a bit of a discount behind the scenes.

[Mathematoxic]

It’s funny seeing so many JM Daytonas popping out on top of the already many of them for sale after being discontinued. Gonna be another season of inter-dealers trades to pump and dump

[psm11]

Originally Posted by Mathematoxic

It’s funny seeing so many JM Daytonas popping out on top of the already many of them for sale after being discontinued. Gonna be another season of inter-dealers trades to pump and dump

Agreed -- discontinuation of a piece that was mass produced for years doesn't mean much.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by psm11

Agreed -- discontinuation of a piece that was mass produced for years doesn't mean much.

don't really think it classifies as mass produced. can't imagine most ADs getting more than 1 or 2 a year

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by Mathematoxic

It’s funny seeing so many JM Daytonas popping out on top of the already many of them for sale after being discontinued. Gonna be another season of inter-dealers trades to pump and dump

I’ve never seen so many Milgausses. There were 3 in a row and saw over a dozen posted today on MODA

[ts3]

Originally Posted by huncho

don't really think it classifies as mass produced. can't imagine most ADs getting more than 1 or 2 a year

So 1-2 a year per AD for 7 years which makes 10000-20000 total. Not mass produced?

[huncho]

Originally Posted by ts3

So 1-2 a year per AD for 7 years which makes 10000-20000 total. Not mass produced?

AP makes ~40k watches a year (so 280k in that same period), by that logic they're mass produced too but they aren't. yes rolexes are mass produced by definition but that doesn't mean some of them aren't made in very small quantities. the argument here is that mass produced = commonly available, and therefore shouldn't be worth a lot, instead of the literal definition of the term. it's a fact that these are not common at all

dealers were hoarding them every year in anticipation of it being discontinued and to be able to cash out. i don't really think there will be a lot of them around once the dust settles

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

I’ve never seen so many Milgausses. There were 3 in a row and saw over a dozen posted today on MODA

It was so bad it seemed like duplicate posts!

[psm11]

Originally Posted by huncho

AP makes ~40k watches a year (so 280k in that same period), by that logic they're mass produced too but they aren't. yes rolexes are mass produced by definition but that doesn't mean some of them aren't made in very small quantities. the argument here is that mass produced = commonly available, and therefore shouldn't be worth a lot, instead of the literal definition of the term. it's a fact that these are not common at all

dealers were hoarding them every year in anticipation of it being discontinued and to be able to cash out. i don't really think there will be a lot of them around once the dust settles

Most Royal oaks aren’t rare despite APs “limited” production numbers. It is not hard to source one and there are thousands available online. What is rare is getting one at retail.

Look at the hulk — discontinued for how long now and there is no shortage of them avail (some brand new).

[psm11]

Originally Posted by EEpro

It was so bad it seemed like duplicate posts!

Looks like moda just limited those allowed to post them for sale to rwb and moda dealer alliance members.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by psm11

Most Royal oaks aren’t rare despite APs “limited” production numbers. It is not hard to source one and there are thousands available online. What is rare is getting one at retail.

Look at the hulk — discontinued for how long now and there is no shortage of them avail (some brand new).

hulks were made in much bigger quantities than a green daytona and much more easily attainable, even at crazy grey premiums they were still relatively affordable. the limited run of the green daytona doesn't have as much to do with it as the difficulty in getting one, people here have said even spending 100k at an AD didn't get you anywhere close to one. probably easier to compare it to a 15202, but anyway i wasn't trying to argue that. my point was that he implied according to his math of 10-20k of them being made in 7 years that they're mass produced, while AP made 280k watches in that time frame and are literally not mass produced. rarity is a different discussion, and i know ROs aren't rare besides the openworked/tourbillon/etc models

i just wanted to say that mass produced by definition means it's not hand made, and yes rolexes aren't hand made, but when most people say it i feel like they don't mean literally but rather imply that mass produced means it's made in huge quantities and commonly found/obtained

[huncho]

to add to the above - there are 64 results on chrono for the green daytona and 14 or 15 of those are stock photos which probably means those dealers don't actually have them. so 50 available on a global marketplace. for reference there are 51 15407s, 450 15500s, 221 15202s and 534 hulks. i would say the green daytona is kinda rare despite it being "mass produced"

[Mathematoxic]

Originally Posted by huncho

don't really think it classifies as mass produced. can't imagine most ADs getting more than 1 or 2 a year

This statistics is what ADs say. Do you really believe it? I don’t because there were some ADs telling me they didn’t see a single 116508(any dial) in the past 2 years coming into their shop. If most ADs are getting less than 2 pieces a year, maybe Rolex should put this dial in their off-catalog range. It’s all smoke bombs in the past 3 years or so. Nothing the AD says can be believed. Truth only told to sharks and these sharks won’t tell you the truth

[Mathematoxic]

Originally Posted by huncho

to add to the above - there are 64 results on chrono for the green daytona and 14 or 15 of those are stock photos which probably means those dealers don't actually have them. so 50 available on a global marketplace. for reference there are 51 15407s, 450 15500s, 221 15202s and 534 hulks. i would say the green daytona is kinda rare despite it being "mass produced"

My country that is considered a very small nation has 26 on sale on a single local selling platform.

Edit : Few months down the road, people who invested in JM at the current pricing will get their fingers burnt for a 2nd time

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by psm11

Looks like moda just limited those allowed to post them for sale to rwb and moda dealer alliance members.

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by EEpro

“Making up prices and not selling” what else is new? LOL

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

“Making up prices and not selling” what else is new? LOL

Nothing but only paying customers are allowed to do it apparently

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by huncho

ap makes ~40k watches a year (so 280k in that same period), by that logic they're mass produced too but they aren't. Yes rolexes are mass produced by definition but that doesn't mean some of them aren't made in very small quantities. The argument here is that mass produced = commonly available, and therefore shouldn't be worth a lot, instead of the literal definition of the term. It's a fact that these are not common at all

dealers were hoarding them every year in anticipation of it being discontinued and to be able to cash out. I don't really think there will be a lot of them around once the dust settles

+1

[WatchEater666]

Don’t get the sneakiness here about moda.

I have saved a TON in fees over chrono24 and found some watches in there I would never have found otherwise.

It’s the only place you can really find independents…

I like TRF but TRF is literally just dealers spamming mediocre prices in the classifieds.

[messikens]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Hahaha pretty telling.

That said I've noticed priced seem to have leveled out (or rising) on here as well as C24, despite the macroeconomics etc.

Is this the same sense you guys have gotten?

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Nothing but only paying customers are allowed to do it apparently

Exactly

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by messikens

Hahaha pretty telling.

That said I've noticed priced seem to have leveled out (or rising) on here as well as C24, despite the macroeconomics etc.

Is this the same sense you guys have gotten?

Yep prices moving up.


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by psm11

Looks like moda just limited those allowed to post them for sale to rwb and moda dealer alliance members.

Moda


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[johnsonsxusfrt]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Yep prices moving up.


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you've been saying that for a year now ... if you keep repeating yourself you'll eventually be right when the market settles but aren't you a little embarrassed to have been wrong for so long?