How does this Tudor Prince look

[studioal]

I've been searching for a Prince Oysterdate to compliment my Tudor Sub and have been offered this reference 9051/0 (90510) for what I think is a fair price (sub $1K). Looks like it's on a 7835B bracelet w/351B endlinks.

Looks like the factory brushing is still present on the topside of the lugs, but I haven't seen one of these in person so I can't determine if or how polished it is.

What do you think...decent example? Looks all original based on these photos?

[Kevin of Larchmont]

I don’t know if it’s original but it sure is lovely.

[Old Expat Beast]

It's unusual to see no hyphen in "self-winding". Might want to see if you can find other examples for this reference.

[Dan S]

The case has seen some polishing for sure and the bracelet looks pretty stretched out, but that's what you'll find at that price point. The bigger issue is whether the dial is ok, e.g. the absence of the hyphen and the wonky "W". You should probably find a bunch of other examples and compare carefully.

[studioal]

Thanks, gents. These are the details that I’m not able to spot. Much appreciated.

[TuRo]

An odd one this - here’s another one without a hyphen (but most are see below) but also usually they have footer -Swiss- like this other one here too, not Swiss.

It’s very cheap at circa £850 as 7835/351 are c £350 alone!

I’d get the engravings both ends and calibre photo perhaps.

Sorry this is one model I’ve not had, so no expert - the wonky oversized W and oversized G at other end a common trait though - it’s fun mind, like a junior jumbo ;-)

https://watchesoflancashire.com/prod...date-9051-0-2/

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/tudor/tud...0_7sKCrb&pos=1

[studioal]

Perusing eBay, I found a sibling 9050/0 and it looks identical.

Wide gap between PRINCE OYSTERDATE
Short vertical stroke on the T in OYSTERDATE
Oversized G in WINDING
W with the lower apex
No hyphen between SELF WINDING
SWISS under 6
Same font used for TUDOR



https://www.ebay.com/itm/35548553803...mis&media=COPY


After looking at many Prince Oysterdates, I can see that there are all sorts of small differences in font choice, letter spacing, nomenclature under the 6 (T-SWISS-T, -SWISS-, SWISS)

Perhaps it’s just Tudor going through small evolutions over the MANY references of this particular model.

Would love others to chime in

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by studioal

Perusing eBay, I found a sibling 9050/0 and it looks identical.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/35548553803...mis&media=COPY

Wide gap between PRINCE OYSTERDATE
Short vertical stroke on the T in OYSTERDATE
Oversized G in WINDING
W with the lower apex
No hyphen between SELF WINDING
SWISS under 6
Same font used for TUDOR

After looking at many Prince Oysterdates, I can see that there are all sorts of small differences in font choice, letter spacing, nomenclature under the 6 (T-SWISS-T, -SWISS-, SWISS)

Perhaps it’s just Tudor going through small evolutions over the MANY references of this particular model.

Would love others to chime in

Good job. Sometimes you just have to do this kind of research to make yourself comfortable. Most models don't have dedicated websites.

[studioal]

Thanks, Dan. It’s fascinating how many reference numbers there are for the Prince Oysterdate line, and just how little documentation there is online. It’s obvious their Submariners commanded all of the public’s attention and the nuances of these don’t seem to be as well understood.

Here’s a 7400/0 from Bob’s which looks identical in every respect except for the inclusion of the hyphen and the minute track.

https://www.bobswatches.com/tudor/tu...ate-74000.html

[Dan S]

Quite honestly, it isn't too different for the less collectible Rolex references. You don't find websites comprehensively articulating the fine differences of Oyster Perpetual Date variants.

[studioal]

Another likeness. This is a 9050/0 from Chrono-scope.ch.

Dial text is the same non-serif, more geometric font. No hyphen either.

[studioal]

I'll keep adding. Here's a 90800 "Jumbo" from Craft & Tailored which looks every bit the same with the exception of the –SWISS– below six o'clock.

[linesiders]

As surmised, watch is most likely OK. Certainly a good price. Just be cautious of other areas of scam because that's half the price it should be.

[studioal]

Originally Posted by linesiders

As surmised, watch is most likely OK. Certainly a good price. Just be cautious of other areas of scam because that's half the price it should be.

For sure. I know the buyer, and he's a good person, but again, I don't know who the person was that sold him the watch.

I've done a bit more research and I believe I've uncovered a pattern between reference 9050/0 around 1979-80. I'm inclined to believe there was a brief period where Tudor played with the typography. Here are a collection of Oysterdates from 1979-80

1979 9050/0 via WatchesToBuy



1979




1979 w/1980 on caseback




1980 9050/0 via Chronoscope



1979 9050/0 via Reddit



1979 9050/0 via Catawiki

[paul cbc]

Link to thread with pics when I picked up my 9050/0.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=519334

[studioal]

I wanted to update this thread to acknowledge that I ended up purchasing the watch I had referenced in my OP.

The watch has arrived and IMO checks out as authentic. It's a reference 90510 with a 1979 serial. I think Tudor at some point around 1979 took liberties and experimented with not including a hyphen in the "SELF-WINDING" text. As seen above, there are a few examples of various references where this happened. Most notably on the jumbos.

The seller provided photos showed what appeared to be a "SWISS" only underline, but it infact is – SWISS – like other references. Just harder to see at a straight on angle.

Photos from this morning:





Sellers photos: