Need help: This or that, or maybe even that!

[Chiverz]

Good evening watch family!

In anticipation of our wedding next year, my (future) wifey has already asked me which watch I would like as a wedding gift (she's also a watch addict and knows that depending on the reference, there might be waiting time, so she prefers to have enough time ahead to ensure we get the piece on time).

I had several models in mind, particularly :

5712/1R or 5990/1R from PP (no problem for either)
67-01 TI/OR or 67-02 or 72-01TI from RM (can be difficult as no connection but I have a contact that could help me with it potentially)
16204BC or RD3 26670ST from AP (16202XT or 15416/26585CE no chance as per our SA)

Unfortunately, I can't decide because even though they are very different, they're all in my wishlist . And that is where I would need your helpful guidance : what would be your top 5 of the list ?

Thank you in advance to everybody chiming in for your inputs and your valuable help in making the future decision!

PS: actual collection if it helps: 5164A, 5712A, 5212A, 6119G, 5740G, 5231G, Code 11.59 Chrono, 15407ST (planned for end of 24), 116500LN Panda, 126710BLRO

[huncho]

16204, 5712/1r, 67-01 would be my preferences from your list. although i don't think i could choose between the 16204 and 5712/1r having never seen either in person

nvm, after seeing your edit i think i would go with the 67-01 or 26670ST. feel like you don't need another nautilus and the 16204 would overlap too much with the 15407

[ts3]

Agree with huncho you don't need another Nautilus. Not a fan of the 5990 and prefer the 5712/1A you got over the 1R. My favourite from your list is probably the 67-02. Just not sure if it is too plasticky to make a proper wedding gift. If your SA had played along I'd have voted 26585CE.

[Geaux Tigers]

5712/1R is special…in my opinion it’s one of the most striking watches on the market. It has a timeless feel to it and for some reason the asymmetrical dial works better with the rose / brown. I missed the 5711/1r but was lucky enough to get the 5712/1R and love it. Very different than RM obviously, but it’s one of the best (if not the best) in my box.

[Ichiran]

The RM-72 is the one I will choose in that list. It is a wearable RM and the dial is interesting.

[HMHM]

For me it’s between the 5990/1R or the 16204BC. I think RMs look a little out of place at formal events. It can be done, just not my preference I supposed.

[7sins]

I found my RM72ti a bit underwhelming after awhile. Your collection is missing RG and IMO no one does RG better than AP. Why not switch your 15407ST for a 15407OR? 16202OR would be a great choice too. If you go RM, would take a look at the RM030 RG or RM035 RG (americas edition). If it has to be new and you have the wrist size to pull it off, the rm065 rg is excellent too. I like the RM here as it gives you something sporty on rubber which you also don't have in your collection.

[Daytonaman799]

Great collection btw…I would go 5712 1/r. I’m just NOT an RM fan. Does nothing for me and while the RO is great that 5712 1/r is sublime.

[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by 7sins

I found my RM72ti a bit underwhelming after awhile. Your collection is missing RG and IMO no one does RG better than AP. Why not switch your 15407ST for a 15407OR? 16202OR would be a great choice too. If you go RM, would take a look at the RM030 RG or RM035 RG (americas edition). If it has to be new and you have the wrist size to pull it off, the rm065 rg is excellent too. I like the RM here as it gives you something sporty on rubber which you also don't have in your collection.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Given your current collection, this is good advice, and I’d agree for my personal tastes.

[Vasco]

Congratulations for your future wedding :)

It's a very interesting project. I think I would go for the RM72, especially since you don't have a RM and that they are very special to enjoy visually and to wear, not mentioning the unusual materials (very appealing to me).

I'm a Patek fan, the 5712/1R is really something (I played with it), near the top of your list but considering your collection, I'll put it aside.

I've never seen this RO Tourb but it would depend on the tourbillon's finishing that has to be top notch, otherwise it's not worth it. A previous version I saw of RO Tourbillon wasn't really satisfactory.

I've been into RM watches a lot (had one) and enjoy their design, material and comfort a lot. I miss them. Considering your collection, I would definitely go for the RM72 (from your selection). Then 5712/1R, RO skeleton or Tourbillon if well finished.

The RM67 Ti is discreet and very nice for an everyday wear but might feel a little "boring" on the long run if you want "something more" from time to time (especially next to other RM models).

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by huncho

16204, 5712/1r, 67-01 would be my preferences from your list. although i don't think i could choose between the 16204 and 5712/1r having never seen either in person

nvm, after seeing your edit i think i would go with the 67-01 or 26670ST. feel like you don't need another nautilus and the 16204 would overlap too much with the 15407

Thank you for the contribution Huncho!

Regarding the 26670ST, sometimes I think the flying tourb is an amazing addition to what is already an iconic watch and adds that extra "beating heart thing" to the jumbo that finally makes it alive and sometimes I feel like that round cutting for the tourb is too much like an after thought

67-01 can be a clear contender indeed but I wonder if lack of complication compared to others ref will make it underwhelming after the honeymoon phase with the watch

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by ts3

Agree with huncho you don't need another Nautilus. Not a fan of the 5990 and prefer the 5712/1A you got over the 1R. My favourite from your list is probably the 67-02. Just not sure if it is too plasticky to make a proper wedding gift. If your SA had played along I'd have voted 26585CE.

Thanks ts3! Didn't go like expected when I showed her the 67-02; she asked me if the happy meal menu came with it

I guess it's a no-go...

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers

5712/1R is special…in my opinion it’s one of the most striking watches on the market. It has a timeless feel to it and for some reason the asymmetrical dial works better with the rose / brown. I missed the 5711/1r but was lucky enough to get the 5712/1R and love it. Very different than RM obviously, but it’s one of the best (if not the best) in my box.

I feel you, that red gold from PP is mesmerizing... The only real downside I can think about PP's gold models is that it scratches with air and it can change color if you wash it with a strong soap, happened to my ex 5712r (on leather), it had a stain that didn't come of on the bezel and made It look quite "dirty"

Thank you for the input Geaux Tigers!

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

The RM-72 is the one I will choose in that list. It is a wearable RM and the dial is interesting.

Glad you chimed in Michael!
Curious to know what would be your choice outside that list. I sometimes think about the 5270p but... I can't even remember to wind the 6119...

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by HMHM

For me it’s between the 5990/1R or the 16204BC. I think RMs look a little out of place at formal events. It can be done, just not my preference I supposed.

Than you for the input HMHM! I kinda understand where you're going with the view on RM; like offering candies to the guests for dessert instead of the traditional wedding cake

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by 7sins

I found my RM72ti a bit underwhelming after awhile. Your collection is missing RG and IMO no one does RG better than AP. Why not switch your 15407ST for a 15407OR? 16202OR would be a great choice too. If you go RM, would take a look at the RM030 RG or RM035 RG (americas edition). If it has to be new and you have the wrist size to pull it off, the rm065 rg is excellent too. I like the RM here as it gives you something sporty on rubber which you also don't have in your collection.

Thank you for sharing your helpful thoughts 7sins. I agree with you, AP's gold's the best I saw in the business at the moment imho. I think 15407 looks better in ST actually because of the combo of the steel, the anthracite dial with the gold bridge that pops ... I heard that the new iteration of the 15407 that comes out this July will be full gold inside the dial and there will be no more anthracite parts. Not sure about it as I thought that the anthracite/gold bridge contrast makes it pop even more.

Can't pull out the big RM unfortunately, wrist of 16.5 cm only lol
What made you fall out of love for the 72TI ? I kinda like the size as well as the layout of the chrono, but feel like if it almost lacked a bit of craziness compared to other iconic refs such as the rm11-03... Curious to know a bit more about your experience with the 72.

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

Great collection btw…I would go 5712 1/r. I’m just NOT an RM fan. Does nothing for me and while the RO is great that 5712 1/r is sublime.

Thank you for the kind words and the input Daytonaman799!

Agree with you, 5712 1/r is a must ... until they release 5740 1/r

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by rmlovett1

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Given your current collection, this is good advice, and I’d agree for my personal tastes.

Thank you for the recommendation and for sharing your
thoughts Mister Mille!!

Definitely, RG is missing drastically... food for thought

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Chiverz

Glad you chimed in Michael!
Curious to know what would be your choice outside that list. I sometimes think about the 5270p but... I can't even remember to wind the 6119...

I'm in the independent watch phase. I have placed deposits for Roger Smith Series 5 Open Dial, Sylvain Pinaud Origine, Simon Brette Chronomètre Artisans, Kari Voutilainen Vingt-8 and a handful others which are under embargo.

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by Vasco

Congratulations for your future wedding :)

It's a very interesting project. I think I would go for the RM72, especially since you don't have a RM and that they are very special to enjoy visually and to wear, not mentioning the unusual materials (very appealing to me).

I'm a Patek fan, the 5712/1R is really something (I played with it), near the top of your list but considering your collection, I'll put it aside.

I've never seen this RO Tourb but it would depend on the tourbillon's finishing that has to be top notch, otherwise it's not worth it. A previous version I saw of RO Tourbillon wasn't really satisfactory.

I've been into RM watches a lot (had one) and enjoy their design, material and comfort a lot. I miss them. Considering your collection, I would definitely go for the RM72 (from your selection). Then 5712/1R, RO skeleton or Tourbillon if well finished.

The RM67 Ti is discreet and very nice for an everyday wear but might feel a little "boring" on the long run if you want "something more" from time to time (especially next to other RM models).

Thank you Vasco for your kind words

RD3 looks cool, but then for 178k compared to the double balance at 66k... I don't really think it's 112k better... my gf has the RD3 37mm version with the purple tapisserie (pic of hers), that's the reason why SA suggested to go for the 39mm to have a "matching pair" of jumbos for each of us.

"Boring" in the long run, I have actually the same concern in mind if I decide going for the 67 but also feel like the 72 lacks a bit of something to make it as crazy as the others iconic refs, don't you think ? But then the others ref are gigantic sizewise and unwearable for "standard size" wrists ...

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I'm in the independent watch phase. I have placed deposits for Roger Smith Series 5 Open Dial, Sylvain Pinaud Origine, Simon Brette Chronomètre Artisans, Kari Voutilainen Vingt-8 and a handful others which are under embargo.

What a crazy program!!! Can't wait to see your next incoming posts

[mickyd329]

Seeing that you already have the Nautilus grail in the 5740g, I would look to add either the RM72 or 16204bc. 16204bc might create some redundancy with the 15407st you have coming, especially with both being in the white metal. Maybe switch either the 15407 or 16204 to a different metal for diversity sake? Regardless, what a great problem to have. Congrats on your future wedding. Looking forward to see what you ultimately decide on.

[seadubs]

For a wedding piece that you will always keep I would likely vote the 5712 1R - I have one and its one of my favorite pieces. But, you already have the 5712 1A - so I choose the 5990 1R. I also have a 67-02 and LOVE the watch, probably my favorite piece - but as a wedding present I would want something I know I would never let go of....and the 1Rs are just that. Congrats!

[AK797]

RM in RG is a wondrous thing, been wearing my friends RM 011 whenever I see him and its rather fun.

[Vasco]

Originally Posted by Chiverz

... but also feel like the 72 lacks a bit of something to make it as crazy as the others iconic refs, don't you think ? But then the others ref are gigantic sizewise and unwearable for "standard size" wrists ...

I agreee on the size as I had the same problem back in the early 2010's. There was the big size (RM011, RM030, RM55) and the smaller versions (RM10, RM035, RM027 or early RMs like the 001, 002...). And I have a rather small wrist (around 16-17 cm, 6.5 inches).

I found RM's rose gold looked fantastic (especially the brushed surfaces). And was also wanting to find something "more" if coming to RM (like Carbon if possible). If you think you want something "more" you indeed have to think twice before getting a watch you find "not enough".

What I found is that some bigger cases had the complication I was more attracted to and the RM030 rose gold with Titanium caseband was a very strong souvenir I still remember today.

Lighter materials (like Ti or Carbon) are a big "plus" as it allows experiencing RM's lightness+shape's unparralleled comfort.

A RM035 is a very good proposition too (I had a RM035 "Baby Nadal"). The RM67 in rose gold looked very nice but "not enough" for me (https://www.hightime-reviews.com/ric...-and-pictures/). You can maybe ask if RM will release a new edition of the RM72 that might please you?

[7sins]

Originally Posted by Vasco

I agreee on the size as I had the same problem back in the early 2010's. There was the big size (RM011, RM030, RM55) and the smaller versions (RM10, RM035, RM027 or early RMs like the 001, 002...). And I have a rather small wrist (around 16-17 cm, 6.5 inches).

I found RM's rose gold looked fantastic (especially the brushed surfaces). And was also wanting to find something "more" if coming to RM (like Carbon if possible). If you think you want something "more" you indeed have to think twice before getting a watch you find "not enough".

What I found is that some bigger cases had the complication I was more attracted to and the RM030 rose gold with Titanium caseband was a very strong souvenir I still remember today.

Lighter materials (like Ti or Carbon) are a big "plus" as it allows experiencing RM's lightness+shape's unparralleled comfort.

A RM035 is a very good proposition too (I had a RM035 "Baby Nadal"). The RM67 in rose gold looked very nice but "not enough" for me (https://www.hightime-reviews.com/ric...-and-pictures/). You can maybe ask if RM will release a new edition of the RM72 that might please you?

Size wise, you can see the 030 vs 72 here, I have rather small wrists as well, maybe 6.75" and the 030 fit fine. The issue with the 72 is the only option for straps is solid rubber which I don't like as it reminds me of an apple strap or nylon velcro. Also don't like the numerals placement on the 72 dial with the 11, 3 and 8. The latter a bit nit picky but optically it bothered me.

[APhound]

I think you need to take her to the court house steps this weekend! What a keeper.
I’d go with a RM. Not sure what one is best for you but you’ll know when you try it on. They’re very special, in my opinion.


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[APhound]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Size wise, you can see the 030 vs 72 here, I have rather small wrists as well, maybe 6.75" and the 030 fit fine. The issue with the 72 is the only option for straps is solid rubber which I don't like as it reminds me of an apple strap or nylon velcro. Also don't like the numerals placement on the 72 dial with the 11, 3 and 8. The latter a bit nit picky but optically it bothered me.

That 30 on pink is insane!!


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[Vasco]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Size wise, you can see the 030 vs 72 here, I have rather small wrists as well, maybe 6.75" and the 030 fit fine. The issue with the 72 is the only option for straps is solid rubber which I don't like as it reminds me of an apple strap or nylon velcro. Also don't like the numerals placement on the 72 dial with the 11, 3 and 8. The latter a bit nit picky but optically it bothered me.

Thanks for the pics (and congratz for the awesome pink straps), I love those RM watches so much... I've stopped following RM these last years as closely and didn't see the 72 in the "metal". I miss their structure shape and especially their brushed surfaces. What's nice with RM is that a bigger case can still be wearable and comfortable, so yes, I could have taken a 030 and hesitated a long time before going for the 035. However, maybe the one I regret I didn't take a few years later was the 055 All grey in the non boutique edition. It was still a big case but would have been my choice.

Some dials contain original aesthetical choices like the numerals you mention on the 72 and I can understand it's bothering you. It's the 5712 of RM haha. It seems the movement is very interesting (not been into it really since the press kit back then). And they indeed seem to have reduced the size which is cool. I personally love the resin straps as they follow the line of the case's bezel in one movement, but again your color choice is fantastic :)

I could be able to wear it where I live I would have gotten one back, definitely.

Enjoy yours :)

[Chiverz]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

Seeing that you already have the Nautilus grail in the 5740g, I would look to add either the RM72 or 16204bc. 16204bc might create some redundancy with the 15407st you have coming, especially with both being in the white metal. Maybe switch either the 15407 or 16204 to a different metal for diversity sake? Regardless, what a great problem to have. Congrats on your future wedding. Looking forward to see what you ultimately decide on.

Thank you for the input and the kind words Mike! Only concern I have with 16204 is the fact that I still like the layout of the double balance more (and I'm sure a lot would agree with that). That watch jumbo size would have been amazing...
(15305 I know I know ... but no double balance in that one )

I'll definitely resurrect this thread next year once the choice is made