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15 March 2010, 02:52 PM | #31 |
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Hmmm...can anyone comment on the reliability of Breguet? I read somewhere that there were only problems with the with Type XX/XXI models...but havent really heard any comments on reliability issues regarding other and newer models.....Greg, how well does your Marine Chrono keep time?
@ John's Watch.....- don't think its fair to call it a beautiful paper weight, of course some of there models are fragile, like in any brand....i wouldnt think it wise to playing basketball or rugby with a Patek Philippe Tourbillion
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In the end it is a mechanical piece of machinery and some do have issues, much like all other brands (hey my Rolex had an issue i had to get fixed but it got done and i am ok with it). |
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Milan - that is one goregous watch! I love the Breguet style calligraphy of the numerals on the dial.
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By the way in addition to inventing the Tourbillon- Among his inventions are the chronograph, the self winding movement and the perpetual calendar. Again-Founded in 1775 -it remains the oldest watch company that I know of! Also--I mentioned th spring that many watches use--looking at your post above--other companies like Roger Dubuis use Breguet numerals on their dials. All in all--great company!! So many nice watches to choose from--too bad you could not have one example from every top house!!!
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Yes indeed--I stand corrected. One of the Elite Four!
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A couple of historical notes about Breguet. He had a secret signature to defeat fakers that could not be reproduced exactly without the master plate. They are written in cursive lettering in a pantograph. Breguet also issued certificates with his watches, which were delivered in a red leather case. The certificates gave full details of their construction, the date of sale and the name of the purchaser, much as we continue to see today.
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On a side note, when purchasing a Breguet, what kind of discounts can be expected (not taking into account the uber high end tourbillion models)....for Breitlings we know in between 20-35%, Rolex 0-20%, Omega 15% is standard..i think..
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Very nice.
I own a GMTC, but given that you already have a Daytona and Omega, I'd go for the breguet as it offers something quite different. |
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Regarding the lineage of the brands, I get so confused and also what movements each uses. I recently bought a Breitling until a friend told me it uses and ETA movement and felt like I'd been ripped off. When I looked into it though, it seems that swatch is doing a great job protecting the brands from obscurity and keeping ETA as a great movement maker. As for a breguet, the marine is my dream watch, and I wouldn't hesitate chopping of my right arm for one (it's okay, I wear my watches on my left ) |
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Well--Breguet on their bio state that they did---personally I don't know if they did or didn't--I do know
that they make one sweet watch!!
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Sorry but I have to take issue with this. Breguet don't sell many watches yet they have quite a few owners complaining about reliability. You yourself mention that you know one owner here in Sydney that's had issues. Whilst I agree that the internet tends to inflate the magnitude of problems it's interesting that we don't hear about many issues with Rolex who produce millions of watches or indeed Lange, Patek, Vacheron. Why is everyone happy to sweep it under the carpet? This seems a bit like an uncomfortable truth. Regarding issues http://breguet.watchprosite.com/show...ti-583791/s-0/ http://breguet.watchprosite.com/show...i-558626/s--4/ And that was on the first two pages... It's important to note that on a Breguet owners forum it's acknowledged that Breguet reliability is a 'hot topic' at best. Stuff like this makes me mad. People ask about the quality of a watch and loads of people chime in with 'they're great' etc when they have known issues Let's be honest, Breguet prices are very, very high. For that price you have a right to expect a reliable movement, surely? So you spend big bucks, it breaks because of poor design or constructon - but it's got a lovely engraved balance cock and just look at that detailing.... Let's think about this a minute. If Invicta suddenly produced a limited run of 1000 watches with amazingly engraved and detailed movements of which 30% or more broke within a year, then asked you to pay at least $20,000 for the watches, would we have the same reaction? Breguet is a brand name only. Yes they produce beautiful watches but there is no link whatsoever with the historical company. With little genuine history we should judge them on their merits not on glossy magazine adverts. Perhaps I'm alone on this. [Rant off]
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I'm also looking heavily at the Breguets...I was surprised to learn that they are part of the Swatch group...that brings it down a peg for me...
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Breguets are great, but have had their reputation (whether fairly or unfairly) tarnished due to their troubles and entry into the swatch fold.
I'm going to go on a limb here, but I was told that the elite three (Patek, AP, VC) are referred to as such as none of them ever made a quartz watch. Personally, I dont see AP or VC in the league with Patek but thats my opinion. Beyond that, I'll take an FP Journe or Lange over a Patek any day. The breguet is beautiful and their guilloche work is the envy of all. You cant go wrong with that piece. |
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I've seen a lot of questions about reliability, but on mostly other forums, however no one has specifically mentioned what is not reliable about a breguet, and what/how they break down. The only info i do have on this..is that in the 1970's when InvestCorp or Chaumet was managing breguet...they did not use the most innovative movements, in comparison to the other elite brands, and due to their lack of financial support, the watches were no of the same build and quaility has they once used to be. Another thing that I had come across was that the Type XX/XXI had reliability issues only in the beginning of their manufacturing process....there was a spring or something that would be susceptible to being broken due to faulty manufacturing. However, that the only information that I have come across, nothing else. I would gladly appreciate if any one could add their 2 cents or whatever info they have on the issues of Breguet and reliability. Plus with their induction into the swatch group i believe the brand is onthe correct path to regaining some of its tarnished glory, as it is being given the proper financial backing and the personal dedication of Nicholas Hayek
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This is a Swatch, and my concern would have to be service. How is Swatch doing in the service/repair of their brands?
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Again, reliability is closely tied in with use. If you misuse any watch, you'll ruin it eventually.
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When I brought my watch in (just to have it polished), they suggested that I have it serviced as well. Then, they mentioned that this watch will be sent directly to Switzerland (I just pay for servicing, not shipping). Later, they emailed that they can service the watch in the Singapore center so it doesn't need to be sent to Switzerland anymore. Again, because it's Swatch, you have the benefit of having a lot of service centers to go to worldwide. If they can handle the repair they'll do it and if not, it goes directly to their headquarters in Switzerland.
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Breguet? Nice watches, but I'd prefer to still have Lemania rather than pretending that that Breguet's movement expertise is all its own.
This article is focused on Heuer and Lemania, but also looks at Breguet and Lemania. http://www.calibre11.com/heuer-lemania-part-one/ David |
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Tata > Jaguar sounds a hell of a lot like Swatch > Breguet to me. Seriously though, I think people are reading too much into this whole brand heritage stuff. What we should all be focusing on is whether or not these are good products in the first place and in this regard, I believe Breguet's no better or worse in terms of quality than any other brand. I think the problem is that, for a lot of us, the prices of these watches make us think like they are (or should be) bullet-proof, which they're not. If you want bullet-proof, get a G-Shock, don't expect to get that kind of ruggedness from Patek, Breguet or even Rolex.
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My point is slightly different- Lemania has a wonderful heritage as a Swiss movement manufacturer, so why not sell Breguet with Lemania movements?
I hear that Swatch are planning on renaming ETA movements as Swatch- for the same reason, I don't support that, because ETA are one of the other great movement houses. I'm not a movement snob. Some are knocking the new Tudor heritage Chrono because it has ETA + DD module; but to me its a great chrono that I'd love to own. Now, I doubt that I'll ever own a Breguet, but that has nothing to do with their use of Lemania movements or other- they're just not my style. |
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I don't know if I'd ever go for a Breguet...leaning more towards a Patek. Personal preference. To me, Patek never lost their way and always had a clear vision of who they were and where they were going. I also admire that Patek is still family (privately) owned, where Breguet is owned by the SWATCH group, which is publicly owned and answers to shareholders quarterly. With a tough economy, it would be easier for a publicly owned company to cut costs by cutting quality (which Breguet has done in the past) as their shareholders would demand a return on their investment. Patek could run on $1 profit for years and if the Stern family is happy with that, so be it. This is a tremendous advatage for Patek as they need not be concerned with quartley goals. Breguet got a little lost there for a while during the quartz crisis too. Only recently have they returned to their "haute horology" status. So, if I'm going to plop down $30k for a watch, its going to be a rock steady Patek. Just my opinion.
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