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Joey_V · 19 August 2010, 10:43 AM

Just wondering from those more informed than me... What is the likely projected collectibility factor of the 292J aka the pig say 10-15 years from now?

Right now, I know all pams have taken a hit in this soft right now and the pig is at 11500 right now.

Is it time to pounce???

Or is it better to get the pigless 292 as Jib said on my other thread?

I mean I can wait a year but i want to do the 292 right.

mfer · 19 August 2010, 11:44 AM

No way to know man.

Shade · 19 August 2010, 11:45 AM

If you're a serious collector, then anything that isn't produced anymore will only go up in value in the future.

However, for a person like me, serious wearer - not a collector, I wouldn't care if there was pig or not in the 292. It's not as if I can see it clearly from some distance anyway...

But that's a personal opinion...

I'm sure I'd love to get a pig version, but if it costs such a premium over a non-pig version, I'd rather get a non-pig version. :)

B. Doggy · 19 August 2010, 12:01 PM

We'd all be sitting on a beach in Barbados if we had answers to questions like this...

Joey_V · 19 August 2010, 12:21 PM

Yeah i guess you guys are right.

I just don't get how models like the 127 shot up. I wonder if there were any prognostic signs at the time it was released and the immediate years following.

jvo300 · 19 August 2010, 12:34 PM

I personally wouldn't bet on it. Get the watch if you like it, but make sure you can stomach the fact that the value may in fact decline going forward. Good luck with your decision!

leeye · 19 August 2010, 12:52 PM

there are way too many collectable pams out there. i'm sure richemont will produce new pam models with the pig on the dial again as they are running out of ideas how to innovate the dial again and again. seems putting a chinese word is the last resort (hahaha).

on the current value of the 292j models, because of the limited supply it will probably hold it's current value. if you want a daily wearer then go for the non pig model.

Joey_V · 19 August 2010, 02:19 PM

I just don't want to get a 292K/L now and then regret that I didn't get the J when the price hits like 20K some years from now... and my 292K/L is stuck at 7K.

Figured that the market is soft now, better attack.

Only problem is that if I get a J, it'll set back the 233 and I may lose 1 of my Rollies (as mentioned in my other thread/poll). If I aim for the non-pig dial 292, I may have a shot at keeping my Rollies.

Ah... I'll roll the dice and see.

lee2375 · 19 August 2010, 04:36 PM

If you can get the pig one, get it!!!

Watchman1957 · 19 August 2010, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shade

If you're a serious collector, then anything that isn't produced anymore will only go up in value in the future.

However, for a person like me, serious wearer - not a collector, I wouldn't care if there was pig or not in the 292. It's not as if I can see it clearly from some distance anyway...

But that's a personal opinion...

I'm sure I'd love to get a pig version, but if it costs such a premium over a non-pig version, I'd rather get a non-pig version. :)

Shade well said, but your point can only be taken for the Pre V's, and Pre A's, where some history exists.

Look at the PIG 292, who knew they were going to make a Chinese version, with that one comng out I personally do not see the prices going up with Richemont saying they are not going to make anymore and this is a SE but then 2 years later they come out with another SE PIG Chinese style.

With this kind of behavior by Richemont I would foresee the collectors soon to become very pissed with Richemonts LE's and SE's and that will be when the Pre V's come back in too play.

mfer · 19 August 2010, 10:11 PM

I just don't see the demand for th 292 being anywhere near the same as the 127. Your regret should be that you wanted the pig dial, not that the price shot up in value.

ocwatching · 20 August 2010, 01:23 AM

Joey..bottom line...no one knows...

the Fiddy and the 217 are just special pieces...
look at the Cali..I think the value there has stablized and that's how the 292j is going to be...the cali and the 292j are still niche watches..one with a different dial and another is a black ceramic...

I think part of the appeal of Fiddy is that while its collectible..its audience is bigger..as in SS/black dial/large watch...the Cali and 292J are both niche...

then again..I have this saturday's lotto numbers everyone...LOL

dotcomakazee · 20 August 2010, 01:29 AM

Sorry for my cluelessness, but why is it called the "pig dial"?

ocwatching · 20 August 2010, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dotcomakazee

Sorry for my cluelessness, but why is it called the "pig dial"?

Ty..this dial on the 292

leeye · 20 August 2010, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchman1957

Shade well said, but your point can only be taken for the Pre V's, and Pre A's, where some history exists.

Look at the PIG 292, who knew they were going to make a Chinese version, with that one comng out I personally do not see the prices going up with Richemont saying they are not going to make anymore and this is a SE but then 2 years later they come out with another SE PIG Chinese style.

With this kind of behavior by Richemont I would foresee the collectors soon to become very pissed with Richemonts LE's and SE's and that will be when the Pre V's come back in too play.

yup the new chinese SE pig models looks good and the numbers are even less than that available for the 292J watches.

Joey_V · 21 August 2010, 01:40 AM

What are these Chinese pigs?

ocwatching · 21 August 2010, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey_V

What are these Chinese pigs?

PIG on the dial of a Logo and a 359 dial

PAM 412

leeye · 21 August 2010, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ocwatching

PIG on the dial of a Logo and a 359 dial

PAM 412

As in this one with the submarine (aka pig) on the dial.

jacksonian · 12 September 2010, 04:41 AM

Any way to get one of these in the US? Just wait for the second hand market?

Ranfni · 12 September 2010, 04:50 AM

The 292 is made of ceramic which is 5 times stronger than steel so if you want to wear it everyday you can so just get the one you want...I went non pig because of the premium for the j. If I get the j I will wear it just like my other watches.

Micha1983 · 12 September 2010, 05:05 AM

The 292 WITH pig is perfectly in balance. Offcourse there will be other S.E.'s, even S.E.'s with pig but the 292J is in my opinion the perfect watch to invest in!

It is beautiful, different, special, you can wear it and still sell it as new, etc.

If you have the money: BUY IT NOW! Allthough it won't double in price (anymore) it will get more expensive over years.

L-16610 · 12 September 2010, 05:53 PM

nobody cares only about the PIG
They make a Chinese LE with that dial, SO WHAT

The thing is that the 292 was the first ceramic watch Panerai made and this is important
and the 292J was something special because it was different from other 292 series because of the PIG

so it is a collectors item, no matter how many other Panerais might follow with a pig dial

19 August 2010, 10:43 AM	#1
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Long term collectibility of 292J aka pig Just wondering from those more informed than me... What is the likely projected collectibility factor of the 292J aka the pig say 10-15 years from now? Right now, I know all pams have taken a hit in this soft right now and the pig is at 11500 right now. Is it time to pounce??? Or is it better to get the pigless 292 as Jib said on my other thread? I mean I can wait a year but i want to do the 292 right. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

19 August 2010, 11:44 AM	#2
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	No way to know man. __________________ member#3242

19 August 2010, 12:01 PM	#4
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	We'd all be sitting on a beach in Barbados if we had answers to questions like this... __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

19 August 2010, 12:21 PM	#5
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Yeah i guess you guys are right. I just don't get how models like the 127 shot up. I wonder if there were any prognostic signs at the time it was released and the immediate years following. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

19 August 2010, 02:19 PM	#8
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	I just don't want to get a 292K/L now and then regret that I didn't get the J when the price hits like 20K some years from now... and my 292K/L is stuck at 7K. Figured that the market is soft now, better attack. Only problem is that if I get a J, it'll set back the 233 and I may lose 1 of my Rollies (as mentioned in my other thread/poll). If I aim for the non-pig dial 292, I may have a shot at keeping my Rollies. Ah... I'll roll the dice and see. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

19 August 2010, 11:45 AM	#3
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	If you're a serious collector, then anything that isn't produced anymore will only go up in value in the future. However, for a person like me, serious wearer - not a collector, I wouldn't care if there was pig or not in the 292. It's not as if I can see it clearly from some distance anyway... But that's a personal opinion... I'm sure I'd love to get a pig version, but if it costs such a premium over a non-pig version, I'd rather get a non-pig version. :)

19 August 2010, 12:34 PM	#6
jvo300 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 1,897	I personally wouldn't bet on it. Get the watch if you like it, but make sure you can stomach the fact that the value may in fact decline going forward. Good luck with your decision!

19 August 2010, 12:52 PM	#7
leeye "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Lee Location: Singapore Watch: Too many...... Posts: 689	there are way too many collectable pams out there. i'm sure richemont will produce new pam models with the pig on the dial again as they are running out of ideas how to innovate the dial again and again. seems putting a chinese word is the last resort (hahaha). on the current value of the 292j models, because of the limited supply it will probably hold it's current value. if you want a daily wearer then go for the non pig model.

19 August 2010, 04:36 PM	#9
lee2375 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Peter Location: Dallas, Houston, Watch: 5 Digit Hoarder Posts: 5,485	If you can get the pig one, get it!!! __________________ Instagram/Twitter @wxwatches Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Las Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2019

19 August 2010, 10:11 PM	#11
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	I just don't see the demand for th 292 being anywhere near the same as the 127. Your regret should be that you wanted the pig dial, not that the price shot up in value.

20 August 2010, 01:23 AM	#12
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	Joey..bottom line...no one knows... the Fiddy and the 217 are just special pieces... look at the Cali..I think the value there has stablized and that's how the 292j is going to be...the cali and the 292j are still niche watches..one with a different dial and another is a black ceramic... I think part of the appeal of Fiddy is that while its collectible..its audience is bigger..as in SS/black dial/large watch...the Cali and 292J are both niche... then again..I have this saturday's lotto numbers everyone...LOL __________________ too much into watches...

20 August 2010, 01:29 AM	#13
dotcomakazee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Ty Location: Irving, TX Watch: Exp II 42mm Posts: 919	Sorry for my cluelessness, but why is it called the "pig dial"? __________________ Rolex Explorer II 42mm • Panerai 389 47mm

21 August 2010, 01:40 AM	#16
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	What are these Chinese pigs? __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

12 September 2010, 04:41 AM	#19
jacksonian Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NC, USA Posts: 125	Any way to get one of these in the US? Just wait for the second hand market?

12 September 2010, 04:50 AM	#20
Ranfni "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Rob Location: SoCal Watch: Rolex Panerai AP Posts: 433	The 292 is made of ceramic which is 5 times stronger than steel so if you want to wear it everyday you can so just get the one you want...I went non pig because of the premium for the j. If I get the j I will wear it just like my other watches.

12 September 2010, 05:05 AM	#21
Micha1983 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 40	Buy it! The 292 WITH pig is perfectly in balance. Offcourse there will be other S.E.'s, even S.E.'s with pig but the 292J is in my opinion the perfect watch to invest in! It is beautiful, different, special, you can wear it and still sell it as new, etc. If you have the money: BUY IT NOW! Allthough it won't double in price (anymore) it will get more expensive over years.

12 September 2010, 05:53 PM	#22
L-16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 825	nobody cares only about the PIG They make a Chinese LE with that dial, SO WHAT The thing is that the 292 was the first ceramic watch Panerai made and this is important and the 292J was something special because it was different from other 292 series because of the PIG so it is a collectors item, no matter how many other Panerais might follow with a pig dial

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