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redsubby · 8 June 2015, 03:37 PM

Hard to beat Rolex, as an overall brand.
AP is better at details and finishes and complications.

Hairdude1 · 8 June 2015, 03:55 PM

Rolex is a great brand, AP however produces less and has more quality IMO over Rolex

Muzz · 8 June 2015, 05:11 PM

I frequently cheat on my Rolex wife with my mistress Audemars. Not matter how reliable and comfortable she is there is something that allures me to the dark side.

benlee · 8 June 2015, 05:29 PM

AP is superior in brand class, finishing quality and movement decoration. Rolex wins in terms of everyday wearability, robustness and reliability.

ice_g · 9 June 2015, 02:22 AM

Different segments. Like comparing an Audi with a Bentley. The Rolex is awesome in many ways, but not comparable with the AP brand when it comes to exclusivity. Hence the price difference...

texex91 · 9 June 2015, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ice_g

Different segments. Like comparing an Audi with a Bentley. The Rolex is awesome in many ways, but not comparable with the AP brand when it comes to exclusivity. Hence the price difference...

Except Audi and Bentley are owned by VW

locutus49 · 9 June 2015, 03:13 AM

Who owns AP? Swatch or Richemont?

masterserg · 9 June 2015, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by locutus49

Who owns AP? Swatch or Richemont?

AP is independent (family owned).

texex91 · 9 June 2015, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by masterserg

AP is independent (family owned).

Bingo.

Met Olivier Audemars last week--one the the nicest most humble people you could meet.

It is still the oldest fine watch-making manufacturer never to have left the hands of its founding families (and before you say Patek--that's owned by the Stern family now).

jjnd08 · 9 June 2015, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by texex91

Bingo.

Met Olivier Audemars last week--one the the nicest most humble people you could meet.

It is still the oldest fine watch-making manufacturer never to have left the hands of its founding families (and before you say Patek--that's owned by the Stern family now).

I thought Rolex was still, in some fashion, still under the founding family?

improviz · 9 June 2015, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jjnd08

I thought Rolex was still, in some fashion, still under the founding family?

AP has been around longer than Rolex, he said "oldest".

texex91 · 9 June 2015, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jjnd08

I thought Rolex was still, in some fashion, still under the founding family?

When Hans Wilsdorf died, in 1960, ownership of Rolex S.A. was passed on to a charitable trust. And today the trust still owns Rolex but this don't mean its a non profit company

.

And yes, AP (founded 1875 in Vallée de Joux) is older than Rolex (founded 1905 in England and only moved to Geneva in 1919).

lmcgbaj · 9 June 2015, 04:03 AM

AP is definitely above Rolex in terms of finishings (case, bracelet, dials) and including movement decorations. Rolex is more robust.

Prices are also much higher.

jjnd08 · 9 June 2015, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by improviz

AP has been around longer than Rolex, he said "oldest".

I missed the "oldest" part.

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Originally Posted by texex91

When Hans Wilsdorf died, in 1960, ownership of Rolex S.A. was passed on to a charitable trust. And today the trust still owns Rolex but this don't mean its a non profit company

.

And yes, AP (founded 1875 in Vallée de Joux) is older than Rolex (founded 1905 in England and only moved to Geneva in 1919).

I knew it was in a charitable trust, but couldn't remember if any of the family was on the board, or if it was for profit. http://www.quora.com/Is-Rolex-a-non-...-And-if-so-why

As for the OP's question, the level of finishing and details on AP watches are way above Rolex. I never fully understood what this truly meant until I felt one in person. The bracelets alone speak for themselves.

h999r · 9 June 2015, 05:42 AM

its different level. You know which one is higher ..

mspeed76 · 9 June 2015, 05:46 AM

not even in the same league.

you do have better/easier resale though

APRolex · 9 June 2015, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by codecow

AP is in a different tier in terms of their mastery of grand complications, skeletonized movements, decorated movements, case finishing, and their exploration of new materials like forged carbon. They also are older than Rolex, 1875 versus 1905. AP makes very few pieces annually in comparison to Rolex.

Rolex has different advantages and obviously their most timeless designs are older than AP's Royal Oak.

Well put ! 🍻

bio guyver · 9 June 2015, 06:11 AM

If Ap is better than rolex give me one reason why doesn't hold price like the rolex do??? That means rolex is superior.

bio guyver · 9 June 2015, 06:13 AM

Why rolex is the most recognizable watch in the world.???

mspeed76 · 9 June 2015, 06:20 AM

Bose has good resale value. its a mass market, highly recognizable brand

doesnt mean its superior to a real high end equipment like Krell/Focal etc

bio guyver · 9 June 2015, 06:20 AM

Why rolex watchs is the most soutafter watch in the world even if you ask any normal person who is not in to watchs what is your dream watch he will say rolex. What is the secret???

B. Doggy · 9 June 2015, 06:22 AM

This is apples vs. oranges. Both are great though.

texex91 · 9 June 2015, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bio guyver

Why rolex is the most recognizable watch in the world.???

Question wasn't which is the most recognized in the world...Rolex is a marketing machine, and since they pump out 1 million watches a year they can be.

Being a watch everyone knows is not necessarily a good thing FYI...some people like exclusivity.

bio guyver · 9 June 2015, 06:27 AM

Come on let's be honest these type of watches is for show off that you have a lot of cash. I mean 1- rolex 2 - patek philippe 3- Ap etc..

toneafficianado · 9 June 2015, 06:27 AM

When comparisons occur subjectivity is SO important.
Does a watch [or car or guitar etc] make you go "yes" on the inside. Are you desperate to own it? Did your money just get less valuable in your pocket because you were thinking that all you have to do is part with some NOW and you can have that certain item?
APs that I have seen haven't given me that feeling but a few Rolex models have so that's why I am still spending and dreaming about Rolexes. It's a feeling. A subjective opinion. Great fun though!!

Le Chef · 9 June 2015, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bio guyver

If Ap is better than rolex give me one reason why doesn't hold price like the rolex do??? That means rolex is superior.

Most people recognize Rolls Royce as the best car in the world, but they don't retain their value either. Just because something retains its value doesn't mean it's superior. What it means is supply and demand are matched to price: that's marketing not product superiority.

bio guyver · 9 June 2015, 06:30 AM

And winner in this game is mostly the rolex. In all aspects

jjnd08 · 9 June 2015, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bio guyver

Come on let's be honest these type of watches is for show off that you have a lot of cash. I mean 1- rolex 2 - patek philippe 3- Ap etc..

Not true at all.

If you keep this attitude on this site, I'm guessing you will either learn and truly appreciate what these watches are, or you won't last long on here...

bio guyver · 9 June 2015, 06:36 AM

Even most of the country leaders wears rolex and thay are proud of it.

texex91 · 9 June 2015, 06:38 AM

Guys please don't feed the trolls....

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B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	This is apples vs. oranges. Both are great though. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

8 June 2015, 03:37 PM	#31
redsubby "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Henry Location: TW/SoCal Posts: 1,632	Hard to beat Rolex, as an overall brand. AP is better at details and finishes and complications.

8 June 2015, 05:11 PM	#33
Muzz "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Steve Location: TO CAD, HCMC VN Watch: MP 18946 Posts: 7,292	I frequently cheat on my Rolex wife with my mistress Audemars. Not matter how reliable and comfortable she is there is something that allures me to the dark side.

8 June 2015, 05:29 PM	#34
benlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ben Location: SIN & JKT Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 9,873	AP is superior in brand class, finishing quality and movement decoration. Rolex wins in terms of everyday wearability, robustness and reliability.

9 June 2015, 02:22 AM	#35
ice_g "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: sweden Posts: 23	Different segments. Like comparing an Audi with a Bentley. The Rolex is awesome in many ways, but not comparable with the AP brand when it comes to exclusivity. Hence the price difference...

9 June 2015, 03:13 AM	#37
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	Who owns AP? Swatch or Richemont?

9 June 2015, 04:03 AM	#43
lmcgbaj "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: G Location: Canada Watch: es are FUN!!! Posts: 1,979	AP is definitely above Rolex in terms of finishings (case, bracelet, dials) and including movement decorations. Rolex is more robust. Prices are also much higher.

9 June 2015, 05:42 AM	#45
h999r Banned Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: HR Location: Planet Earth Watch: -ing Barts. Posts: 4,244	its different level. You know which one is higher ..

9 June 2015, 05:46 AM	#46
mspeed76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: United States Watch: AP, RM Posts: 605	not even in the same league. you do have better/easier resale though

9 June 2015, 06:11 AM	#48
bio guyver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Kuwait Posts: 273	If Ap is better than rolex give me one reason why doesn't hold price like the rolex do??? That means rolex is superior.

9 June 2015, 06:13 AM	#49
bio guyver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Kuwait Posts: 273	Why rolex is the most recognizable watch in the world.???

9 June 2015, 06:20 AM	#50
mspeed76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: United States Watch: AP, RM Posts: 605	Bose has good resale value. its a mass market, highly recognizable brand doesnt mean its superior to a real high end equipment like Krell/Focal etc

9 June 2015, 06:27 AM	#54
bio guyver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Kuwait Posts: 273	Come on let's be honest these type of watches is for show off that you have a lot of cash. I mean 1- rolex 2 - patek philippe 3- Ap etc..

9 June 2015, 06:27 AM	#55
toneafficianado 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Alan Location: Australia Posts: 2,201	When comparisons occur subjectivity is SO important. Does a watch [or car or guitar etc] make you go "yes" on the inside. Are you desperate to own it? Did your money just get less valuable in your pocket because you were thinking that all you have to do is part with some NOW and you can have that certain item? APs that I have seen haven't given me that feeling but a few Rolex models have so that's why I am still spending and dreaming about Rolexes. It's a feeling. A subjective opinion. Great fun though!!

9 June 2015, 06:30 AM	#57
bio guyver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Kuwait Posts: 273	And winner in this game is mostly the rolex. In all aspects

9 June 2015, 06:36 AM	#59
bio guyver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Kuwait Posts: 273	Even most of the country leaders wears rolex and thay are proud of it.

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texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Guys please don't feed the trolls....

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