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KDA · 25 April 2013, 07:15 AM

Question: When did Rolex stop putting bevels/chamfers on the lugs. I saw a 1990s sub (16610) the other day which had bevelled lugs, but the newer 16610s dont seem to have them...

FLY-DOG · 25 April 2013, 08:03 AM

What are you talking about, can you post a close-up photo of a newer 16610 (unpolished) that doesn't have bevels on the lugs. My 1991 16610 and my 2010 16610 LV both never polished appear to have very slight bevels on their lugs looking at them under a loup, unless your definition and my definition of bevel is different.

STEELINOX · 25 April 2013, 08:37 AM

The term is chamfer not bevel !

Alcan · 25 April 2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by STEELINOX

The term is chamfer not bevel !

You're killing me, big fella! I need you for visualisation in my next theory class.

joe100 · 25 April 2013, 08:54 AM

Best laugh of the day

STEELINOX · 25 April 2013, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcan

You're killing me, big fella! I need you for visualisation in my next theory class.

And to the point, ROLEX used to just cut the most beautiful rounded chamfers and now that is a lost art !

Example...

STEELINOX · 25 April 2013, 09:01 AM

STEELINOX · 25 April 2013, 09:02 AM

Alcan · 25 April 2013, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

And to the point, ROLEX used to just cut the most beautiful rounded chamfers and now that is a lost art !

OK, but are those real chamfers or bevelled chamfers?

Warnsboy · 25 April 2013, 12:50 PM

Bev - Cham - fer's from 1977 ;)

STEELINOX · 25 April 2013, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDA

Question: When did Rolex stop putting bevels/chamfers on the lugs. I saw a 1990s sub (16610) the other day which had bevelled lugs, but the newer 16610s dont seem to have them...

Sorry...

To answer your query, it was prolly around 2010, that chamfers disappeared from 16610 transition to 116610 "Super cases"

16610 does have them, but the chamfer is very small - maybe less than a mm; just a slight "break" of the corner as seen here on my K serial 16610, production around 2000 year...

See, barely a hi-polish line seen here of chamfer...

skprd13 · 25 April 2013, 04:28 PM

Excellent Steelinox! Big difference between a chamfer cut and a bevel. Look at the corners of most concrete structures they have chamfer edges. Basic terms cutting a 45 degree angle equal on a 90 degree corner. That is a chamfer.
Aloha from Kauai.
Tom

jedly1 · 25 April 2013, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

The term is chamfer not bevel !

skprd13 · 25 April 2013, 05:37 PM

Wondering if one of you members are adding up the total of my angles! Just realized do not have any engineer answer your questions after sucking down cold Sam Adams! Hahahahahahaha.

Yes the beers are cold and tasty on Kauai!
Alohaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Tom

bluemartinifan · 25 April 2013, 09:50 PM

1st pic is chamfer on an untouched 14060 from 1996
2nd pic is chamfer on an untouched 1680 from 1978

Puffy · 25 April 2013, 11:43 PM

chamfer

KDA · 25 April 2013, 11:46 PM

Hahaha, love the responses! I have a 5513 with clear chamfers but in the modern subs I sometimes dont see them - not sure whether it was because they stopped or because the ones I have seen have had them polished off...

KDA · 26 April 2013, 12:05 AM

See check out the absence of them on this 16610 (compared to the vintage models):

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=291908

[mods: please remove if its not ok to link to FS listings like this]

Beaumont Miller II · 26 April 2013, 12:32 AM

Russ two of the nicest examples out there. I'm jealon like a felon.

cdweller · 26 April 2013, 12:47 AM

Side note: I have seen some more recent 16610s that have been polished to sell, and the polisher has added chamfers, presumably because they are a desirable quality on older models? Just something I have found interesting to note...

KDA · 26 April 2013, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdweller

Side note: Inhave seen some more recent 16610s that have been polished to sell, and the polisher has added chamfers, presumably because they are a desirable quality on older models? Just something I have found interesting to note...

Interestingly, I asked myself the same question when i saw a 16610 with chamfers that were more pronounced that I have seen before - had they been added? Hence my initial question at the top of this thread - because I thought that the 16610 did not have these pronounced chamfers.

cdweller · 26 April 2013, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDA

Interestingly, I asked myself the same question when i saw a 16610 with chamfers that were more pronounced that I have seen before - had they been added? Hence my initial question at the top of this thread - because I thought that the 16610 did not have these pronounced chamfers.

I actually started a similar thread on this a while ago, here is the link if you are interested...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=200368

watchcrank · 26 April 2013, 01:23 AM

I love the "visual" description :-) m

Vincent65 · 26 April 2013, 01:43 AM

1680 - 1970

KDA · 26 April 2013, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchcrank

I love the "visual" description :-) m

Was that photo taken especially for me? If so, that's really cool - made me laugh. Love this community!

rmurphy · 26 April 2013, 07:32 AM

This is another reason I love this forum. I have often read posts about polished vs. non polished and I spend a good amount of time comparing my watch to the pictures I see posted. I had no idea what a chamfer was or wasn't before today but have often admired this specific detail of my watch. I don't have a camera other than my iPhone so I'm hoping this photo catches what I believe this thread is about. My 16610 is a P Serial.

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1366925551.094909.jpg

KDA · 26 April 2013, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdweller

I actually started a similar thread on this a while ago, here is the link if you are interested...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=200368

Thanks!

fskywalker · 8 June 2016, 07:30 AM

16610's indeed have a very small chamfer from factory, at least that is the case on my S series 16610

Qinhan · 8 June 2016, 09:22 AM

Holy thread revival, Batman!

judson · 8 June 2016, 09:32 AM

Very educational, even if it is an old thread. Thank you for reviving it. Love the photos from Bluemartinifan.

25 April 2013, 07:15 AM	#1
KDA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: DJ 16000 Posts: 238	Submariner Chamfers/Bevels Question: When did Rolex stop putting bevels/chamfers on the lugs. I saw a 1990s sub (16610) the other day which had bevelled lugs, but the newer 16610s dont seem to have them...

25 April 2013, 08:03 AM	#2
FLY-DOG "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Kerry Location: (GMT -5:00) Watch: 1991 Submariner Posts: 230	What are you talking about, can you post a close-up photo of a newer 16610 (unpolished) that doesn't have bevels on the lugs. My 1991 16610 and my 2010 16610 LV both never polished appear to have very slight bevels on their lugs looking at them under a loup, unless your definition and my definition of bevel is different. __________________ Current Rolex's 1969 Air-King 5500 1991 Submariner 16610 2010 Submariner 16610 LV 2014 James Cameron Deepsea Sea Dweller Blue 116660

25 April 2013, 08:37 AM	#3
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25 April 2013, 04:28 PM	#12
skprd13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Tom Location: Kauai Watch: 1675-1680-16750 Posts: 3,346	Excellent Steelinox! Big difference between a chamfer cut and a bevel. Look at the corners of most concrete structures they have chamfer edges. Basic terms cutting a 45 degree angle equal on a 90 degree corner. That is a chamfer. Aloha from Kauai. Tom

25 April 2013, 05:37 PM	#14
skprd13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Tom Location: Kauai Watch: 1675-1680-16750 Posts: 3,346	Wondering if one of you members are adding up the total of my angles! Just realized do not have any engineer answer your questions after sucking down cold Sam Adams! Hahahahahahaha. Yes the beers are cold and tasty on Kauai! Alohaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Tom

25 April 2013, 11:43 PM	#16
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	chamfer __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

25 April 2013, 11:46 PM	#17
KDA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: DJ 16000 Posts: 238	Hahaha, love the responses! I have a 5513 with clear chamfers but in the modern subs I sometimes dont see them - not sure whether it was because they stopped or because the ones I have seen have had them polished off...

26 April 2013, 12:05 AM	#18
KDA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Netherlands Watch: DJ 16000 Posts: 238	See check out the absence of them on this 16610 (compared to the vintage models): http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=291908 [mods: please remove if its not ok to link to FS listings like this]

26 April 2013, 12:32 AM	#19
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	Russ two of the nicest examples out there. I'm jealon like a felon. __________________

26 April 2013, 12:47 AM	#20
cdweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: PA Watch: SubLV, 1665 Rail Posts: 1,054	Side note: I have seen some more recent 16610s that have been polished to sell, and the polisher has added chamfers, presumably because they are a desirable quality on older models? Just something I have found interesting to note... __________________ Last edited by cdweller; 26 April 2013 at 01:16 AM.. Reason: spelling error

26 April 2013, 01:23 AM	#23
watchcrank "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: michael Location: Florida Watch: explorer II cream Posts: 1,661	I love the "visual" description :-) m

26 April 2013, 07:32 AM	#26
rmurphy 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: Richard Location: Augusta Georgia Watch: 16600 Posts: 1,058	This is another reason I love this forum. I have often read posts about polished vs. non polished and I spend a good amount of time comparing my watch to the pictures I see posted. I had no idea what a chamfer was or wasn't before today but have often admired this specific detail of my watch. I don't have a camera other than my iPhone so I'm hoping this photo catches what I believe this thread is about. My 16610 is a P Serial. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1366925551.094909.jpg

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fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 24,712	Submariner Chamfers/Bevels 16610's indeed have a very small chamfer from factory, at least that is the case on my S series 16610 __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 2230.50.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 Zenith 02.480.405 Henry Archer Eclipse 2FA security enabled

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Qinhan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 624	Holy thread revival, Batman!

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judson "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Watch: changes depending Posts: 800	Very educational, even if it is an old thread. Thank you for reviving it. Love the photos from Bluemartinifan.

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