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JaySS · 17 September 2008, 04:34 PM

Hi All,

Two issues for your considerations

1. Is US$4,000 for an excellent, box and papers GMTII 2003 (black bezel) a "good deal"?

Context: I know I want one and they don't make 'em any more

.

2. I also know I will end up with a 16610 at some point. I can't get both now, so the question is - Sub now, GMT II later, or the other way around?

Context: I'm thinking the GMT II now and the 16610 later since the sub is still in production (I also have a Z 14060M COSC) - should be plenty around

.

Any and all thoughts, suggestions, gentle flaming appreciated

Many thanks

J

scottschoe · 17 September 2008, 04:52 PM

2. Yes I'd follow your original idea. Preowned subs will only get cheaper down the road since more are being put out there.

vzmax · 17 September 2008, 05:35 PM

GMT-II gets my vote.

jdc · 17 September 2008, 05:42 PM

I am biased as I have a GMT 11 but it is a great watch

Also it would be a contrast to your sub, and offers the timezone function. Good luck

swatty · 17 September 2008, 07:03 PM

You are on the right track, I'd buy the GMT first

buz-lh · 17 September 2008, 07:38 PM

Definitely GMT now as you have one sub already and the GMT is an awesome watch.

sys12345 · 17 September 2008, 08:48 PM

In your case, its a no brainer... get the GMTII first.

mike · 17 September 2008, 08:54 PM

I have to echo the advise everyone has given.

Congrats on the 14060 COSC BTW, a real classic!!

JaySS · 18 September 2008, 09:02 AM

Thankyou all for your predictably sage advice. You guys are the BEST!!

I'm going to check the GMT out on the weekend.

I'll let you all know the outcome .....

Cheers,

J

daytona1 · 18 September 2008, 09:24 AM

Go for the GMT.

pilfilr · 18 September 2008, 10:26 AM

I have been watching GMT II's for a few months on eBay from only reputable dealers. I would say go for the GMT II, BUT... hold out for an "F" series or later with no case holes. I have seen a few of these in pristine condition for $3800 on eBay. But, the dealers I know are here in the US... my vote GMT II "F" or later....

TimeToGo · 18 September 2008, 10:28 AM

GMT, of course, but you can do better than $4k, be patient...

karmatp · 18 September 2008, 10:31 AM

I would get the GMT II now, I have a hard time even pulling out my COSC Sub now that I have a GMT II.

ShawnK · 18 September 2008, 11:08 AM

I think if you go with the GMT II you will be really pleased. I own an F-serial that is my favorite watch--and I've owned and flipped a bunch of models and brands.

I just picked up a 14060M Sub as a "brother" for my GMT and now I think I have the perfect combination of Rolex sport models. See how happy they look together? Now that I've switched the insert on my GMT to red/black I find that they each have their own distinctive look.

Actually, once you get a GMT II you may find that you really don't need the 16610 Sub. You already have the classic Sub look with the 14060M, and if you want the date you just wear the GMT II.

See, I just saved you a pretty big stack of cash!

Spare201 · 18 September 2008, 11:17 AM

I would go with the Red/Blue, Red/Black bezel they look to close in appearance for me anyway. I would get the GMTII first, those are a cult favorite and the price for those will stay steady, the sub will dip when the new steel sub is released (late '09 - mid '10). Subs are the most common sport variant, when the market floods witht trade-ins you will get a steal. Hell you can have a steel sub NOW for ~3500-4000 in reasonable shape.

Z-Sub · 18 September 2008, 11:19 AM

go for GMT-II now and you can always get a sub later.
You may want to condiser different bezel color since the black GMT is fairly similar to a sub.

sea-dweller · 18 September 2008, 11:52 AM

Agreed, buy the GMT II first, as I have seen some high asking prices recently for BNIB versions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaySS

Hi All,

Two issues for your considerations

1. Is US$4,000 for an excellent, box and papers GMTII 2003 (black bezel) a "good deal"?

Context: I know I want one and they don't make 'em any more

.

2. I also know I will end up with a 16610 at some point. I can't get both now, so the question is - Sub now, GMT II later, or the other way around?

Context: I'm thinking the GMT II now and the 16610 later since the sub is still in production (I also have a Z 14060M COSC) - should be plenty around

.

Any and all thoughts, suggestions, gentle flaming appreciated

Many thanks

J

ttannert · 18 September 2008, 11:56 AM

I vote for GMT!

JaySS · 18 September 2008, 12:03 PM

Shawn,

Thankyou for your contribution to my retirement fund

Your pic will probably be the nail in the oyster

Spare201,

I hope you are right about Sub prices in a couple of years. This would be my third Rolex this year and I will need some recovery time if I can control myself

If I get the GMT I will be seeking a Pepsi bezel insert to change up the look, for sure

Z-Sub,

See second comment, above.

Sea-dweller,

The prices on BNIB 3186 GMTs do seem a little over-hyped

. Personally, I'm not fussed on the colour of the hairspring inside the case

TRF,

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for validating my obsession

J

East Bay Rider · 18 September 2008, 12:09 PM

Sub...

Just kidding. Get the GMT.

ashu2289 · 18 September 2008, 01:14 PM

GMT now

Brushpup · 18 September 2008, 10:29 PM

You will not likely find this price on this watch in this condition again. Get it if you can!!!!!!!!!!

Trurolexer · 18 September 2008, 10:37 PM

Since you already have Sub ND, then please go for GMT.

JaySS · 22 September 2008, 10:42 AM

Dear All

I didn't get to drop by the dealer with the GMT last weekend

Hopefully he will agree to hold until Sat

Patience may be a virtue, but it's not a strength of mine ...

J

17 September 2008, 04:34 PM	#1
JaySS Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AUST Posts: 72	GMT II price and should I buy over Sub? Hi All, Two issues for your considerations 1. Is US$4,000 for an excellent, box and papers GMTII 2003 (black bezel) a "good deal"? Context: I know I want one and they don't make 'em any more. 2. I also know I will end up with a 16610 at some point. I can't get both now, so the question is - Sub now, GMT II later, or the other way around? Context: I'm thinking the GMT II now and the 16610 later since the sub is still in production (I also have a Z 14060M COSC) - should be plenty around. Any and all thoughts, suggestions, gentle flaming appreciated Many thanks J

17 September 2008, 04:52 PM	#2
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	2. Yes I'd follow your original idea. Preowned subs will only get cheaper down the road since more are being put out there. __________________ __________________

17 September 2008, 07:38 PM	#6
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	Definitely GMT now as you have one sub already and the GMT is an awesome watch. __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

17 September 2008, 08:48 PM	#7
sys12345 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 286	In your case, its a no brainer... get the GMTII first. __________________ Cheers, sys12345

18 September 2008, 10:26 AM	#11
pilfilr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Mark Location: Florida Posts: 138	I have been watching GMT II's for a few months on eBay from only reputable dealers. I would say go for the GMT II, BUT... hold out for an "F" series or later with no case holes. I have seen a few of these in pristine condition for $3800 on eBay. But, the dealers I know are here in the US... my vote GMT II "F" or later.... __________________ Just keep the wings level...I'll be right back! DEEPSEA "M", TT SUB Serti Champagne "F", GMT II "COKE" "F" (currently wearing a Pepsi), TT DJ CHAMPAGNE BATTON "P", TT BREITLING CROSSWIND, SS Ceramic Sub (Black), Panerai 288 Radiomir.

17 September 2008, 05:35 PM	#3
vzmax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: S Florida Posts: 221	GMT-II gets my vote.

17 September 2008, 05:42 PM	#4
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	I am biased as I have a GMT 11 but it is a great watch Also it would be a contrast to your sub, and offers the timezone function. Good luck

17 September 2008, 07:03 PM	#5
swatty 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,409	You are on the right track, I'd buy the GMT first

17 September 2008, 08:54 PM	#8
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	I have to echo the advise everyone has given. Congrats on the 14060 COSC BTW, a real classic!!

18 September 2008, 09:02 AM	#9
JaySS Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AUST Posts: 72	Thankyou all for your predictably sage advice. You guys are the BEST!! I'm going to check the GMT out on the weekend. I'll let you all know the outcome ..... Cheers, J

18 September 2008, 09:24 AM	#10
daytona1 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: miami Posts: 673	Go for the GMT.

18 September 2008, 10:28 AM	#12
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,633	GMT, of course, but you can do better than $4k, be patient...

18 September 2008, 10:31 AM	#13
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	I would get the GMT II now, I have a hard time even pulling out my COSC Sub now that I have a GMT II. __________________ My grails:

18 September 2008, 11:17 AM	#15
Spare201 Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Spare201 Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1970 Day-Date Posts: 197	I would go with the Red/Blue, Red/Black bezel they look to close in appearance for me anyway. I would get the GMTII first, those are a cult favorite and the price for those will stay steady, the sub will dip when the new steel sub is released (late '09 - mid '10). Subs are the most common sport variant, when the market floods witht trade-ins you will get a steal. Hell you can have a steel sub NOW for ~3500-4000 in reasonable shape.

18 September 2008, 11:19 AM	#16
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	go for GMT-II now and you can always get a sub later. You may want to condiser different bezel color since the black GMT is fairly similar to a sub. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

18 September 2008, 11:56 AM	#18
ttannert "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Tim Location: Ohio Watch: SS Black Daytona Posts: 872	I vote for GMT! __________________ The greatest luxury in life is time; treasure every second. __________________ My Collection: SS Rolex M Black Daytona SS Rolex V Black Milgauss GV SS Rolex M Black Milgauss TT Rolex Z White MOP Datejust SS Rolex M Coke GMT II SS Tag Heuer Black Kirium Chronometer

18 September 2008, 12:03 PM	#19
JaySS Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AUST Posts: 72	Shawn, Thankyou for your contribution to my retirement fund Your pic will probably be the nail in the oyster Spare201, I hope you are right about Sub prices in a couple of years. This would be my third Rolex this year and I will need some recovery time if I can control myself If I get the GMT I will be seeking a Pepsi bezel insert to change up the look, for sure Z-Sub, See second comment, above. Sea-dweller, The prices on BNIB 3186 GMTs do seem a little over-hyped. Personally, I'm not fussed on the colour of the hairspring inside the case TRF, Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for validating my obsession J

18 September 2008, 12:09 PM	#20
East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 11,921	Sub... Just kidding. Get the GMT. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

18 September 2008, 01:14 PM	#21
ashu2289 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Ashutosh Location: Rochester NY Watch: Daytonas,SD Posts: 2,342	GMT now __________________ Everything becomes nothing after ROLEX 116520 SS Daytona White Dial 116520 SS Daytona Black Dial 116523 18K&SS Daytona Slate Dial 16600 Sea-Dweller 16710 GMT Master II Pepsi Bezel 16613 18K&SS Submariner Blue Dial 116660 Deepsea Sea-Dweller

18 September 2008, 10:29 PM	#22
Brushpup "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Patrick Location: Texas Watch: what I'm wearing Posts: 5,943	You will not likely find this price on this watch in this condition again. Get it if you can!!!!!!!!!! __________________ *TRFs "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron-Founding Member* PClub # 10 74,592 The safest place for your watch is on your wrist.

18 September 2008, 10:37 PM	#23
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Since you already have Sub ND, then please go for GMT.

22 September 2008, 10:42 AM	#24
JaySS Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AUST Posts: 72	Update Dear All I didn't get to drop by the dealer with the GMT last weekend Hopefully he will agree to hold until Sat Patience may be a virtue, but it's not a strength of mine ... J

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