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Old 10 April 2018, 07:40 PM   #1
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Icon20 Is the Daytona really the pinnacle of Rolex SS professional sports models?

Hi Guys, obviously like most of you I am a pretty keen Rolex enthusiast, and as we all know the current state of play with trying to obtain any stainless Steele sports model from an AD is frustrating to say the least. But there is one model that seems to far outweigh the rest as far as closed waiting lists and ott resale prices and that model is the ceramic Daytona. So my question is, is this accolade justified? I mean, is this your grail ss pro sport model? If so why? And if not what model is? The sea-dweller 126600 will probably be a shorter run so rarer, the sky dweller is by far the most complicated Rolex so should this not take the crown? Just food for thought..
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:19 PM   #2
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Hi Guys, obviously like most of you I am a pretty keen Rolex enthusiast, and as we all know the current state of play with trying to obtain any stainless Steele sports model from an AD is frustrating to say the least. But there is one model that seems to far outweigh the rest as far as closed waiting lists and ott resale prices and that model is the ceramic Daytona. So my question is, is this accolade justified? I mean, is this your grail ss pro sport model? If so why? And if not what model is? The sea-dweller 126600 will probably be a shorter run so rarer, the sky dweller is by far the most complicated Rolex so should this not take the crown? Just food for thought..
Any hierarchy is an illusionary construct. The only "crown" is the Rolex trademark, and all Rolex wear them. The Daytona is the pinnacle of nothing, it's just another Rolex.

Frankly, I find the desire of many to try and determine, establish, or lobby for what is the "best" model (which suggests there is some sort of objective hierarchy) pretty strange. Why, and why would anyone care?
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:31 PM   #3
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Any hierarchy is an illusionary construct. The only "crown" is the Rolex trademark, and all Rolex wear them. The Daytona is the pinnacle of nothing, it's just another Rolex.

Frankly, I find the desire of many to try and determine, establish, or lobby for what is the "best" model (which suggests there is some sort of objective hierarchy) pretty strange. Why, and why would anyone care?
I agree. Whilst the Daytona maybe the pinnacle of Rolex ownership for some, for others it is not. It could be a simple OP.
If anything I would say the accolade for best Rolex puts the Datejust on top, and by a very wide margin.....but again....who cares?!
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All depends on the person. For scarcity, I’ve spoke to a few ADs that have said they get more SS Daytona’s than SS Skymasters.
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:33 PM   #5
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I would not say that it it top dog. There are many out there that don't even like the Daytona. It's probably the most hyped because of the Paul Newman connection, it has a lower allocation (production), and is generally harder to get. Don't get me wrong it's a great watch and I have one, but not worth any premium. If I had to choose I would keep my BLNR over the Daytona and the rest of my current watch collection.
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:33 PM   #6
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To many Daytona seems to be important. I think it is beautifully made, but not that practical or useful. I prefer GMT models.
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:34 PM   #7
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Any hierarchy is an illusionary construct. The only "crown" is the Rolex trademark, and all Rolex wear them. The Daytona is the pinnacle of nothing, it's just another Rolex.

Frankly, I find the desire of many to try and determine, establish, or lobby for what is the "best" model (which suggests there is some sort of objective hierarchy) pretty strange. Why, and why would anyone care?
I also agree. A Rolex is a Rolex. Not much more to say on it lol.
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It's certainly the hardest SS to obtain. That doesn't make it the pinnacle (or grail) at least for me. Great watch none the less.
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:45 PM   #9
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It’s tough to argue against it due to it’s long waiting lists.

If the Daytona is produced in lower production numbers that would also contribute.

I suppose if the Submariner were produced in similar quantity as the Daytona, than it would be just as “rare” and probably king of the hill
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Old 10 April 2018, 08:46 PM   #10
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I think that it is a matter of personal preference. I like the Daytona and have owned it in YG, RG, TT and SS. The hype surrounding the watch is just that. But it does not change the fact that it is the most sought after regular production SS Rolex now. I would love to see a Daytona II in 42 mm with the same style and design and an upgraded movement. That might be a yet to be released grail. For now, the SD43 checks all the boxes for me and has the appropriate size. To each their watch.

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Old 10 April 2018, 09:23 PM   #12
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I think it’s like the weather in the southern part of the state for which there is a race named for the city it is held at, from which the reference was named.

On one side of the street, it may be sunny.
On the other side of the street, it may be raining.
All depends on which side of the street you are standing.
.......and as quickly as just a few minutes, it can all change.

Basically, it’s all perspective.
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Old 10 April 2018, 09:28 PM   #14
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Any hierarchy is an illusionary construct. The only "crown" is the Rolex trademark, and all Rolex wear them. The Daytona is the pinnacle of nothing, it's just another Rolex.

Frankly, I find the desire of many to try and determine, establish, or lobby for what is the "best" model (which suggests there is some sort of objective hierarchy) pretty strange. Why, and why would anyone care?
This. Seems like there are many threads trying to establish one watch, usually the OPs, as the preeminent, hardest to find, most practical and otherwise most lust worthy Rolex while denigrating other popular models. Some strange effort to validate ones choices it seems. FWIW, love my DaytonaC, but it isnít magical.
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Old 10 April 2018, 09:42 PM   #15
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I have zero interest in the Daytona. Have put them on and always say "meh". I for one don't get the hype and have no desire to buy one.


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Old 10 April 2018, 09:47 PM   #16
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Would Daytona be as appreciated without the Paul Newman hype? What happens when people don't even know who that is? Is it even a factor now? I'm European under 40yrs and I have no connection to Daytona for the sake of Paul Newman.

For me Daytona just seems like a cool chronograph and I associate it to F1 and racing. Before I could afford Rolex I had Tag Heuer but now lusting after Daytona.
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Would Daytona be as appreciated without the Paul Newman hype? What happens when people don't even know who that is? Is it even a factor now? I'm European under 40yrs and I have no connection to Daytona for the sake of Paul Newman.

For me Daytona just seems like a cool chronograph and I associate it to F1 and racing. Before I could afford Rolex I had Tag Heuer but now lusting after Daytona.
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I think that it is a matter of personal preference. I like the Daytona and have owned it in YG, RG, TT and SS. The hype surrounding the watch is just that. But it does not change the fact that it is the most sought after regular production SS Rolex now. I would love to see a Daytona II in 42 mm with the same style and design and an upgraded movement. That might be a yet to be released grail. For now, the SD43 checks all the boxes for me and has the appropriate size. To each their watch.
I agree, I think the Daytona in a 42mm would be amazing. I have a particularly big wrist so 40mm watches just look to small. Iím also really excited to see the new Deepsea with the wider bracelet. I think it will wear a lot better
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I also, I think I should point out that at no point was I trying to establish a hierarchy within the Rolex models. In fact quite the opposite. I was trying get other enthusiasts input as to why the Daytona seems to be a wet dream for so many.
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The Daytona is a rock solid chrono with an impressive pedigree, but it is just another fine Rolex of many. Its resale is the result of forced exclusivity by Rolex in limiting supply, as opposed to the other models now which are based on surging demand.

However the high resale starts to draw it into the sphere of the really big chrono boys, like the Lange 1815 chrono below and when you look at the beautiful, mesmeric movement you surely wonder why you'd pay such a premium on a Daytona. It's worth it's retail for sure but it's not in this Haute league at all.

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Scarcity isn't a guide. My SD 116600 will be a relatively rare (I know it's not 'rare' so focus on the word 'relatively') watch in years to come, but that's simply because it was unpopular and so had a short production run.

Likewise, there will be more 116500's than 116519's - but that's simply because people probably don't see the justification in spending an addition £12k.

I think the Sky Dweller is a dog of a watch to look at, it holds zero appeal, but I believe most on here love it.

Pinnacle can be judged with some brands such as Patek and based on complications, I think that works, but with Rolex Sports Watches it's all about the individual. The pinnacle for me would be the Milsub, others might say the 6263, and others may simply say that a 116610 is all they've ever wanted.


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maybe pinnacle isn't the right word, maybe just the coolest!

HAHA in reality to everyone has different taste and uses and to each his own


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Pinnacle of Rolex SS Sports Models? Oh my, just enjoy your watch and don‘t agonize over such stuff...
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not in terms of popularity, that belongs to the black sub.

in terms of collectors' enthusiasm, it maybe
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maybe pinnacle isn't the right word, maybe just the coolest!



HAHA in reality to everyone has different taste and uses and to each his own







cool...and a cool picture too cool guy!
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All depends on the person. For scarcity, Iíve spoke to a few ADs that have said they get more SS Daytonaís than SS Skymasters.

Skymaster is so scarce because it doesn't exist

Your ad is lying
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One of the best chronographs out there, any brand, anywhere. IMO. The movement is spectacular.

That said, if you're not much of a chrono guy, that doesn't exactly make it the pinnacle.

The fact that it's selling at an $8k premium makes it something, though.
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Hi Guys, obviously like most of you I am a pretty keen Rolex enthusiast, and as we all know the current state of play with trying to obtain any stainless Steele sports model from an AD is frustrating to say the least. But there is one model that seems to far outweigh the rest as far as closed waiting lists and ott resale prices and that model is the ceramic Daytona. So my question is, is this accolade justified? I mean, is this your grail ss pro sport model? If so why? And if not what model is? The sea-dweller 126600 will probably be a shorter run so rarer, the sky dweller is by far the most complicated Rolex so should this not take the crown? Just food for thought..
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