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21 August 2018, 11:21 AM | #1 |
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California dials?
Hi Panerai experts,
I’m considering a Panerai as my next acquistion, and at the moment, am drawn to California Dials or black ceramics. Specifically, on the California Dials, what are the reference numbers for both Regular (don’t know technical term) and Radiomir? Have seen a few Radiomirs at 47mm and that’s too large for me, ideally looking at 42-44mm, if available. Also saw some with blue hands, which look unique. Interested in references with in-house movements. Thanks in advance!
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21 August 2018, 12:05 PM | #2 |
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Sounds like the new 779 will tick many of your boxes.
http://watchesbysjx.com/2018/07/intr...c-pam-779.html Sent from Beef’s iPad using Tapatalk |
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643. Wears small, ceramic black. It’s 45mm but wears like 42mm
For Cali, 249
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If memory serves me correctly, all Cali dials before this year (see below) were 47mm, with the 249 being the classic choice.
2018 brought us the 779, which might (?) be more like what you seem to be looking for. |
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If that was stainless, brushed or not, I’d be all over that. I just can’t do DLC.
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Before you pick up a California dial Panerai do your research and see what they are trading/selling for. I have traded one within the last few months and had a hard time with dealers who said they did not sell well. Finally made a deal. If I was to go to the California Dial it would be the 249. A classic and a watch that is always in demand. It is 47mm but wears much smaller. Find one and try it on.
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There is also the PAM 718 42mm transitional case, if you dare...
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249 - SS 47mm radiomir with blue hands + unitas movt
448 - SS 47mm radiomir with blue hands + P3000 movt 376 - WG 47mm radiomir with gold hands + P3000 movt 424 - SS 47mm radiomir with gold hands + P3000 movt 629 - DLC Ti 47mm luminor 1950 with gold hands + P3000 movt 718 - WG 42mm radiomir 1940 with blue hands + P1000 movt 740 - RG 42mm radiomir 1940 with blue hands + P1000 movt 779 - DLC SS 44mm luminor with blue hands + P5000 movt I'm sure I miss some of the precious metals radiomirs here and there too |
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Great dial
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The 249 has been consistency recommended in this threa. I will have to check it out in person for sure (if I can find one). I like that it has an anonymous dial. |
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This is SUPER HELPFUL THANK YOU. I’m basically looking at Chrono24 on each one to check them out. |
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After some research, it looks like the 249, 448, or 424 could work. I believe the California dial is most classic with a Radiomir so will wait to see how the 779 does, and I’m not sure if it’s even released yet.
Do you guys think that of the 249, 448, 424 — the 249 is the most collectible? It appears so, but a little hard to justify given the eta based movement. The 448 has the P3000, but doesn’t appear as in-demand. The 424 is slightly different with a logo on the dial, is standard production, and takes a little away from the limited edition collectability, but it’s at least half the price! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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FYI on 424,there are several versions:
The one with date and plexi The one without date and plexi And I believe the newer ones without date and with sapphire crystal Of all the calis,I think the one that retains its value best is 249 as the original,like the 127 for 1950 model Personally if I'm in the market for cali dial,I'd go for 448 for its higher wr and longer PR If I'm not being sensible,I'll go and find a 349 |
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424 . . . a superb timepiece, and tribute to a remarkable past:
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I can't wait to see the 779 in the metal.
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I really love that this model has the gold hands, and also the subtle Panerai logo. It might not be the most historically correct California but, to me, it is the most beautiful. Enjoy yours! Carl There is also a gorgeous 42mm model available. Likely the most beautiful I have seen, but only available in rose gold. I keep eyeing it every time I go into the Boutique, hoping it will still be there when I win the lottery!
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Thanks Brian and Carl!
Carl, the strap is a DiStefano "Davide". I have several of Simona's straps - all superbly crafted and a pleasure to wear.
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California dial is MY FAVORITE!
Ive always been a fan of the "vintage" look |
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The PAM 448 is my personal favorite among the California dials. It has the plexi crystal, blue hands, P3000 movement, and comes stock on a Ranger strap which is my favorite OEM strap that Panerai makes. It is getting harder to find the 448 and 449 (SLC dial) in new condition.
As far as size on the Radiomir; once you buy one PAM,. you want something bigger. The 45mm Radiomir is not that big. It sounds large on paper, but on the wrist it wears smaller than a 44mm Luminor. |
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