Now 35k - OP 41 Turquoise Tiffany

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by ~JJ

The OP has nothing to do with Tiffany and there’s a made up correlation with an auction piece that does have a real partnership to drive profits. Plus, it’s not even the true Tiffany brand color. I can’t disagree with your third bullet point enough…. stamped Tiffany Rolex dials have been commanding premiums for decades. You can’t just dismiss the stamp and collaboration or the prior posters gold/brass analogy comes into play. I have no issue with the OP, in fact bought my wife one a couple years ago in a different shade of blue, but to draw any correlation to the 5711 auction makes zero sense to me.

It makes sense to plenty others... These stella-like tiles have been demanding premiums from the get-go!! What's more is that the Tiffany turquoise has been demanding a premium higher than all the others from the very beginning, and it has been hotter than the others since its inception, and it has been regarded as the Tiffany dial color since almost the very beginning of its release and announcement, well, long long before and announcement of a 5711 turquoise or a 5711 auction!

It is what it is, whether you and others like it or not.

I can't wait to revisit this thread in 24 months when this dial color is gone, and the prices are north of 50k.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by ~jj

the op has nothing to do with tiffany and there’s a made up correlation with an auction piece that does have a real partnership to drive profits. Plus, it’s not even the true tiffany brand color. I can’t disagree with your third bullet point enough…. Stamped tiffany rolex dials have been commanding premiums for decades. You can’t just dismiss the stamp and collaboration or the prior posters gold/brass analogy comes into play. I have no issue with the op, in fact bought my wife one a couple years ago in a different shade of blue, but to draw any correlation to the 5711 auction makes zero sense to me.

+1

[Pw92676]

I haven’t read every page or post of this. But I am genuinely surprised this is so much bickering and banter over this. Without a dog in the race: It’s a nice watch. It’s fetching a premium. Some think the premium is justified and some think it’s absurd. How much more is there to bicker about? Can’t we agree to disagree and move on (hopefully to other non-value related issues?)

[Kostas]

Pretty basic looking OP41

Baby blue dial :)

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Kostas

Pretty basic looking OP41



Baby blue dial :)

Nice picture . Yeah, beautiful Turquoise Tiffany dial

[rlx123]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

How many billionaires are buying this watch? You have no clue who is buying these or any others at grey, no one does except for the dealers themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of people that are leveraging themselves just because of the social hype and must have factor. Otherwise people like David wouldn't be offering Affirm financing. The billionaire ratio is played out, most people get it.

I was responding to a member on here who said “even billionaires are not crazy enough to pay $35K for this watch”. I am not saying that only billionaires are buying these watches. Please read all the thread carefully before responding.


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[simon1965]

Originally Posted by pw92676

i haven’t read every page or post of this. But i am genuinely surprised this is so much bickering and banter over this. Without a dog in the race: It’s a nice watch. It’s fetching a premium. Some think the premium is justified and some think it’s absurd. How much more is there to bicker about? Can’t we agree to disagree and move on (hopefully to other non-value related issues?)

+1

[Randy9999]

Originally Posted by simon1965

+1

+2

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by simon1965

+1

Originally Posted by Randy9999

+2

+3. I think this thread has run it's course.

[JacksonRain]

Not my photo, but a cool shot.

Tiffany unboxing!

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

- Slightly colorblind: Isn't that slightly unfair to those who find this color and/or its distinctive quality genuinely appealing? In my eyes, while we can debate endlessly whether it is or isn't close enough to Tiffany's brand colors, the Rolex has actually a slightly prettier color tone.



- Mistaking the brand: Why would the appeal be reliant on this. I think its amply clear to any of us that we won't get the Nautilus, so the lack of a Patek inscription is not relevant. Most of us are probably happy enough with this being an attractive and highly recognizable Rolex.



- Lack of Tiffany & Co inscription: See above re the Patek inscription, not sure this is really relevant. The Tiffany piece has no doubt served as a propellant for a new, broader trend. But this trend was arguably already on the way with the Rolex - which believe it or not is an appealing watch on its own merits which was actually getting quite popular before this whole Tiffany affair.



- Not a limited edition: Neither are the regular Nautilusses, and I'd argue they are rare enough. In addition, as I've said before, there are probably less robin egg blue OPs in the world in absolute numbers than there are 5711s. And yet we consider the latter to be rare.



So with all that said, I have to confess, I like the robin egg blue OP to the point where I can see value in it even at 30k. Luckily, I got a call last week that prevented me from having to think about this with any level of seriousness.

Very good points

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Pw92676

I haven’t read every page or post of this. But I am genuinely surprised this is so much bickering and banter over this. Without a dog in the race: It’s a nice watch. It’s fetching a premium. Some think the premium is justified and some think it’s absurd. How much more is there to bicker about? Can’t we agree to disagree and move on (hopefully to other non-value related issues?)

Generally speaking i'm with you. I feel pretty indifferent about this and 100% feel people should enjoy this hobby in anyway that makes them happy.

However, I've also openly and happily with no regrets, never had a problem buying watches at market value. That means back in 2016-17 I bought my aunt a bnib hulk from a trusted seller for 8300. It also means last november I paid 26k for a daytona lol.

I would never take a hard stance that any one should buy, trade, sell and enjoy watches the way I do. But when you're a person that clearly has no problem paying a premium (for whatever the reasons) it's hard to sit back and listen to people tell you you're stupid or insane for doing so. I can go on and on about this, but that's not really helpful right now.

While those things specifically might not have been said verbatim in this thread (although they probably were lol) I think that's where a lot of animosity comes from. No one likes to be proven wrong, no ones likes to be told they're stupid or crazy. That's where the heat is coming from here IMO.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Generally speaking i'm with you. I feel pretty indifferent about this and 100% feel people should enjoy this hobby in anyway that makes them happy.



However, I've also openly and happily with no regrets, never had a problem buying watches at market value. That means back in 2016-17 I bought my aunt a bnib hulk from a trusted seller for 8300. It also means last november I paid 26k for a daytona lol.



I would never take a hard stance that any one should buy, trade, sell and enjoy watches the way I do. But when you're a person that clearly has no problem paying a premium (for whatever the reasons) it's hard to sit back and listen to people tell you you're stupid or insane for doing so. I can go on and on about this, but that's not really helpful right now.



While those things specifically might not have been said verbatim in this thread (although they probably were lol) I think that's where a lot of animosity comes from. No one likes to be proven wrong, no ones likes to be told they're stupid or crazy. That's where the heat is coming from here IMO.

Well said, Chadri

[bibbi]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Generally speaking i'm with you. I feel pretty indifferent about this and 100% feel people should enjoy this hobby in anyway that makes them happy.

However, I've also openly and happily with no regrets, never had a problem buying watches at market value. That means back in 2016-17 I bought my aunt a bnib hulk from a trusted seller for 8300. It also means last november I paid 26k for a daytona lol.

I would never take a hard stance that any one should buy, trade, sell and enjoy watches the way I do. But when you're a person that clearly has no problem paying a premium (for whatever the reasons) it's hard to sit back and listen to people tell you you're stupid or insane for doing so. I can go on and on about this, but that's not really helpful right now.

While those things specifically might not have been said verbatim in this thread (although they probably were lol) I think that's where a lot of animosity comes from. No one likes to be proven wrong, no ones likes to be told they're stupid or crazy. That's where the heat is coming from here IMO.

[Pw92676]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Generally speaking i'm with you. I feel pretty indifferent about this and 100% feel people should enjoy this hobby in anyway that makes them happy.

However, I've also openly and happily with no regrets, never had a problem buying watches at market value. That means back in 2016-17 I bought my aunt a bnib hulk from a trusted seller for 8300. It also means last november I paid 26k for a daytona lol.

I would never take a hard stance that any one should buy, trade, sell and enjoy watches the way I do. But when you're a person that clearly has no problem paying a premium (for whatever the reasons) it's hard to sit back and listen to people tell you you're stupid or insane for doing so. I can go on and on about this, but that's not really helpful right now.

While those things specifically might not have been said verbatim in this thread (although they probably were lol) I think that's where a lot of animosity comes from. No one likes to be proven wrong, no ones likes to be told they're stupid or crazy. That's where the heat is coming from here IMO.

This is well written. I admittedly did not read every post here so your analysis is likely succinct and sophisticated.

Personally, some watches I would pay over, some retail, some not even with a discount. I think deep down all watch collectors feel similar to a certain extent. And if they say otherwise, they may just be fooling themselves or out of touch with todays market. The key is just that the amount (markup or discount) is different based upon the individual, the watch, the circumstance etc.

[vgandhi01]

Pepsi has nothing to do with Rolex, but they call it Pepsi.

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by vgandhi01

Pepsi has nothing to do with Rolex, but they call it Pepsi.

Right but the difference is a Tiffany Rolex actually exists. For many years Rolex was offered by Tiffanys and if you purchased through Tiffanys the dial had a Tiffany and Co. stamp on it. It was authentic, not a nickname. Much like Patek today is still offered with a stamped dial if purchased through Tiffanys.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by vgandhi01

Pepsi has nothing to do with Rolex, but they call it Pepsi.

Correct

[Randy9999]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Correct

Ditto Coke™.

Ditto [Incredible] Hulk™.

Probably others. Nobody ever complained about those.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

Ditto Coke.



Ditto [Incredible] Hulk.



Probably others. Nobody ever complained about those.

There are indeed complainers, but some others include the smurf, root beer, blueberry, bat girl, Batman, dark knight, kermit, Cermit, Starbucks, pink panther, Bart Simpson, Panda (when not really a panda) etc

[Nairn1980]

Nice enough piece at MRSP, but I don’t get the hype.

[Randy9999]

[X E L O R]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Nice picture . Yeah, beautiful Turquoise Tiffany dial

Thanks… picked it up last year from my lovely AD as birthyear watch for our son… the first they had in… now impossible to get! The crazy ‘Rolex way’!


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[vgandhi01]

why complain about the price? Price is what market dictates. Also, watches tell time so why not buy Timex? You buy Rolex cause it's luxury and I doubt more than half people even know the difference between the movement.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by vgandhi01

why complain about the price? Price is what market dictates. Also, watches tell time so why not buy Timex? You buy Rolex cause it's luxury and I doubt more than half people even know the difference between the movement.

Luxary and exclusivity, that warm feeling inside when you have something special ...that's what it's about

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Luxary and exclusivity, that warm feeling inside when you have something special ...that's what it's about

so true!

[htc8p]

Rolex values are totally screwed up.


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[spageddie]

The values don't make any sense, how do they expect people not to resell when they discover that it's reselling for 4x what they paid.. lol

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by spageddie

The values don't make any sense, how do they expect people not to resell when they discover that it's reselling for 4x what they paid.. lol

Because They don't need or want the money, they want the watch.

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[Andad]

Originally Posted by vgandhi01

Pepsi has nothing to do with Rolex, but they call it Pepsi.