New AP’s prediction 2023 thread

[SRG89]

Originally Posted by codecow

Actually looking at the new releases again I think I’d rather have a Star Wheel.

Came to the same conclusion today but £50k for that is a big jump for me in the Code pool rather than dipping my toe in with the steel.

I’ve got RO’s I’d like to prioritise and that sort of money eats into my RO budget

[codecow]

Originally Posted by SRG89

Came to the same conclusion today but £50k for that is a big jump for me in the Code pool rather than dipping my toe in with the steel.

I’ve got RO’s I’d like to prioritise and that sort of money eats into my RO budget

We’ll see. For Royal Oaks an endgame piece for me would be something like a full ceramic. I was buttering my wife up at lunch today telling her we need to go to Aria to gamble when in reality the true purpose is to hit the boutique haha.

[Armis]

I’m a little surprised that I’m not seeing more interest in the beige Code with ceramic body The white gold + ceramic Code was always a popular piece amongst Codes, and the beige/taupe ROO made many people swoon.
But maybe I haythe wrong sense based on limited posts. Or perhaps I like the contrast of the beige/black more than the monochrome green (which is a nice hue). The contrast of blue/grey is also great. So I should keep an open mind.
(As if the boutique is eagerly waiting to deliver me my first choice)

[tcpx]

Originally Posted by Armis

I’m a little surprised that I’m not seeing more interest in the beige Code with ceramic body The white gold + ceramic Code was always a popular piece amongst Codes, and the beige/taupe ROO made many people swoon.
But maybe I haythe wrong sense based on limited posts. Or perhaps I like the contrast of the beige/black more than the monochrome green (which is a nice hue). The contrast of blue/grey is also great. So I should keep an open mind.
(As if the boutique is eagerly waiting to deliver me my first choice)

I'm in the same camp as you. That's definitely my favorite "normal" release from AP this week

[grahammackay86]

Originally Posted by Armis

I’m a little surprised that I’m not seeing more interest in the beige Code with ceramic body The white gold + ceramic Code was always a popular piece amongst Codes, and the beige/taupe ROO made many people swoon.
But maybe I haythe wrong sense based on limited posts. Or perhaps I like the contrast of the beige/black more than the monochrome green (which is a nice hue). The contrast of blue/grey is also great. So I should keep an open mind.
(As if the boutique is eagerly waiting to deliver me my first choice)

Out of all the releases this week I’d have to agree that this was the best “normal” release also. I personally prefer the chronograph version to the 3 hander.

[serenerabbit]

Originally Posted by Armis

I’m a little surprised that I’m not seeing more interest in the beige Code with ceramic body The white gold + ceramic Code was always a popular piece amongst Codes, and the beige/taupe ROO made many people swoon.
But maybe I haythe wrong sense based on limited posts. Or perhaps I like the contrast of the beige/black more than the monochrome green (which is a nice hue). The contrast of blue/grey is also great. So I should keep an open mind.
(As if the boutique is eagerly waiting to deliver me my first choice)

I agree that version is very appealing. Revolution watch youtube has a little on wrist video. The black ceramic middle case works so well with the steel and that coloring.

[Vipes]

Originally Posted by codecow

Actually looking at the new releases again I think I’d rather have a Star Wheel.

Starwheel is really nice. My SA said it’s “limited edition” even though it’s not numbered. Guess it is limited production.

Crossing fingers they will consider me for WG Jumbo.

[Armis]

Originally Posted by grahammackay86

Out of all the releases this week I’d have to agree that this was the best “normal” release also. I personally prefer the chronograph version to the 3 hander.

The chronograph is also more appealing to me.
However, a nagging question going through my mind is whether having a taupe ROO 43mm (which I do) and the beige Code would be too redundant??
They both have overlapping [very nice] features, which you might see as a positive point. But there’s something to be said and enjoyed in a diverse collection. The funniest aspect of this silly question is that this consideration doesn’t seem to apply to ROs. Hardly anyone would think twice about having the full spectrum of RO 15500 dial colors if they could. At least I wouldn’t, I’m sure of that.

[grahammackay86]

Originally Posted by Armis

The chronograph is also more appealing to me.
However, a nagging question going through my mind is whether having a taupe ROO 43mm (which I do) and the beige Code would be too redundant??
They both have overlapping [very nice] features, which you might see as a positive point. But there’s something to be said and enjoyed in a diverse collection. The funniest aspect of this silly question is that this consideration doesn’t seem to apply to ROs. Hardly anyone would think twice about having the full spectrum of RO 15500 dial colors if they could. At least I wouldn’t, I’m sure of that.

Yeah the chronograph is definitely top, the contrast of the chrono’s and then the black ceramic mid case sets it apart for me.

Yes I also thought about the Taupe ROO 43mm and how it runs very similar colour wise; I personally wouldn’t have both in the collection just for variety reasons. If I already had the taupe offshore then would go for the new blue code!

[thekman]

Originally Posted by messikens

Maybe I'm a Debbie downer but despite me loving the code releases - I wish they would have done something else "for the masses".

Nice to be an ultra premium brand, but really who here is going to receive a limited 250 edition run?

They released 6 new steel models "for the masses" starting in the mid 20s. We are talking about AP here, surely you were not expecting them to release a swatch collab

[Armis]

Originally Posted by grahammackay86

Yeah the chronograph is definitely top, the contrast of the chrono’s and then the black ceramic mid case sets it apart for me.

Yes I also thought about the Taupe ROO 43mm and how it runs very similar colour wise; I personally wouldn’t have both in the collection just for variety reasons. If I already had the taupe offshore then would go for the new blue code!

Agreed, in this case the blue Code makes more sense and also has nice contrasting features that I like. Now, just need to come up with the loot. It’s a good thing that I would have to wait in line for some time before I’d get an allocation.

[codecow]

Beige and ceramic is the best I agree.

[fatcows7]

Originally Posted by thekman

They released 6 new steel models "for the masses" starting in the mid 20s. We are talking about AP here, surely you were not expecting them to release a swatch collab

I actually thought they were going to go down the 56 route that VC went down.

[Napaswar]

Code steel models are great and Taupe is excellent but I already got ROO taupe last year.
I'm not sure if both ROOs launched recently are the 30th Anniversary models or AP has something coming up soon?
Anyway, 43mm Ceramic & YG is cool enough for me to be in wait list.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Vipes

Starwheel is really nice. My SA said it’s “limited edition” even though it’s not numbered. Guess it is limited production.

Crossing fingers they will consider me for WG Jumbo.

It’s weird, almost all of their production is Royal Oaks according to Tim Mosso so I think they’d be excited that anyone wants codes and they’d be making them to demand rather than holding out.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by codecow

It’s weird, almost all of their production is Royal Oaks according to Tim Mosso so I think they’d be excited that anyone wants codes and they’d be making them to demand rather than holding out.

Nonsense. AP is pretty transparent about their production numbers. Total in 2022 was planned to be more than 50k and anniversary models were about 25k. Add in the non-anniversary RO/ROC, and that leaves about 20k for ROO, CODE and Concept. CODEs started out at 2000/yr and then doubled to 4000/yr, so about 10% of production a couple of years ago.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Nonsense. AP is pretty transparent about their production numbers. Total in 2022 was planned to be more than 50k and anniversary models were about 25k. Add in the non-anniversary RO/ROC, and that leaves about 20k for ROO, CODE and Concept. CODEs started out at 2000/yr and then doubled to 4000/yr, so about 10% of production a couple of years ago.

He said off the cuff 90%. So since you have the production numbers let’s post them up.

[In-N-Out]

Has anyone received a starwheel allocation yet?

[Reign]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

Has anyone received a starwheel allocation yet?

Not yet and I asked yday.

Not an LE but they’re saying about 500 for the total run


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[7sins]

Not traditionally a YG fan but this checks EVERY box for me, utterly love at first sight. Look forward to seeing the variations in the turquoise dial.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by codecow

He said off the cuff 90%. So since you have the production numbers let’s post them up.

I said "pretty transparent". Still, here are some sources:
50k total production for 2022: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ies-with-patek
(lots of other sources for that number as well)

4000 CODEs in 2020: https://www.thepeakmagazine.com.sg/i...ly-code-11-59/

1875 Jumbos in 2022: https://www.thegentlemansjournal.com...x-new-watches/

Info for total 50th ROs/ROOs came from various boutiques/AP house, quoting between 21k and $27k. The 21k number is broadly consistent with the availability on the grey market (C24), where Jumbos are about 10% of the 50th models offered.

Putting the pieces together my guess would be 65-75% RO/ROC, 15-25% ROO, 5-10% CODE + some small number of Concepts, averaged over the last years.

[Window Shopper]

Looks like Tiffany Blue 7sins

[only1swami]

Originally Posted by Window Shopper

Looks like Tiffany Blue 7sins

Inspired by Rolex …hellloo day date


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[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Not traditionally a YG fan but this checks EVERY box for me, utterly love at first sight. Look forward to seeing the variations in the turquoise dial.

Spectacular! Hope you get allocated this

[codecow]

Thanks Vogel, it was funny I just watched the last Perpetually Patek video with Tim on modern Patek and he cited again the 90% with 90% revenue for RO. Your numbers seem better though.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Window Shopper

Looks like Tiffany Blue 7sins

Well, I'd say it looks turquoise, because that's what it is

[l_chissle]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Well, I'd say it looks turquoise, because that's what it is

[DonLee]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Not traditionally a YG fan but this checks EVERY box for me, utterly love at first sight. Look forward to seeing the variations in the turquoise dial.

very curious is that stony dial different for every watch, or are those black markings purposely done so?

[squall1]

Originally Posted by DonLee

very curious is that stony dial different for every watch, or are those black markings purposely done so?

It's an actual stone, no two will be the same.

[ase_sbhwatch]

I wasn’t aware of AP’s historical precedent with stone dials. This one is now growing on me. But I’d really love to see it on white gold or platinum — that dial would really pop!


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