F.P. Journe Chronometer Bleu pricing going through the roof!

[rockdrock]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

The CB is still on the FPJ website. I think if it was discontinued it wouldn't be listed there anymore.

I am assuming the CB is staying there until it becomes official. I personally think that it maybe the new debut of the CS and new CB in 2024 after a anniversary. A new movement to launch the next chapter.


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[TooWoundUp]

Originally Posted by unknown

Due to all the rumours...
I had contact with a Journe AD a couple of hrs ago.

And here is some breaking news...

He told me that the latest price list did NOT mention the CB anymore.
He did not want to confirm it is discontinued because there is no official statement from Journe.
But that it is no longer on the price list is suspicious.

So if someone can contact his AD or boutique...
Give them a call and see if you hear the same story.

Has anyone else been able to confirm this?

[GreenLantern]

Journe ADs don't exactly get the latest and greatest news. Ask a boutique.

That said, the confirmed order backlog for the CB is several years long. When boutiques stopped taking deposits for wait lists it's genuinely because Journe can't even possibly conceive of meeting the demand (used to be 100/yr for the CB, pre-pandemic).

If they plan to discontinue it, it'll be after all those orders are done. They probably have 5 years of confirmed orders piled up. So if they plan to discontinue it in 5 years, it kinda makes sense.

[lanteanflux]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Journe ADs don't exactly get the latest and greatest news. Ask a boutique.

That said, the confirmed order backlog for the CB is several years long. When boutiques stopped taking deposits for wait lists it's genuinely because Journe can't even possibly conceive of meeting the demand (used to be 100/yr for the CB, pre-pandemic).

If they plan to discontinue it, it'll be after all those orders are done. They probably have 5 years of confirmed orders piled up. So if they plan to discontinue it in 5 years, it kinda makes sense.

Were orders taken with deposit? If not I wouldn’t think that he’d fulfill them out of duty. Journe has been making a step towards applied numerals, could see a new entry level watch with those instead and the CB discontinued well before 5 years time.


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[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by lanteanflux

Were orders taken with deposit? If not I wouldn’t think that he’d fulfill them out of duty. Journe has been making a step towards applied numerals, could see a new entry level watch with those instead and the CB discontinued well before 5 years time.

Pretty sure boutiques switched to all orders requiring full deposit (i.e., full payment) before they'll even confirm. I think this happened in 2019.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Pretty sure boutiques switched to all orders requiring full deposit (i.e., full payment) before they'll even confirm. I think this happened in 2019.

FPJ can also follow Rolex and PP.. You put in full deposit for HULK/5711 but they give you the latest 41mm green ceramic bezel sub / 5711 olive green (Just thinking out loud here)

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Pretty sure boutiques switched to all orders requiring full deposit (i.e., full payment) before they'll even confirm. I think this happened in 2019.

My order was accepted at 50% deposit and I’ve heard of 50% from some other collectors as well. But full deposit wouldn’t surprise me.

[accountank2000]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

My order was accepted at 50% deposit and I’ve heard of 50% from some other collectors as well. But full deposit wouldn’t surprise me.

Back in 2018 (when waitlist ticked up from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 years in a relatively short space of time) they didn't ask for a deposit but as the list got longer they required a signed application form giving them your personal info and asking what FPJ or other pieces you owned. I gave them one, and they confirmed I was added to the list and that the order of the list was the same whether I had signed up with Geneva, Paris or elsewhere.

[aparker973]

Interesting times indeed!

In 2015 or so my friend and I were on the hunt for new pieces. He went with CB, I went with a Lange (though we both easily could have switched roles). I got a nice discount on mine, and remember giving him some lighthearted grief about how he had to pay full boat (~$23-25k at the time?) for the CB since the boutique couldn't budge.

Gonna go ahead and say he made out better on that one!! (from a value perspective obviously)

[ppfl]

might be out of topic, but what's happening with the Elegante Titalyt?

Is that also a four-year wait at boutiques, or significantly easier to get? Technically, that's the one (category) with the highest production numbers.

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by ppfl

might be out of topic, but what's happening with the Elegante Titalyt?

Is that also a four-year wait at boutiques, or significantly easier to get? Technically, that's the one (category) with the highest production numbers.

Yes, 4 year wait and the list is closed. The smaller lady’s model is obtainable with about a year wait.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by ppfl

might be out of topic, but what's happening with the Elegante Titalyt?

Is that also a four-year wait at boutiques, or significantly easier to get? Technically, that's the one (category) with the highest production numbers.

That is crazy indeed
I saw a few selling above 35.000 euro
And I’ve been told in Saoudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, they fetch 50.000 euro!
That is 4 times listprice

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

Yes, 4 year wait and the list is closed. The smaller lady’s model is obtainable with about a year wait.

That model is unisex
I know some men wearing it.
Diameter is 35 mm, the typical day date 36 mm so it’s not that small

And I think the list is longer than 1 year.

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by unknown

That model is unisex
I know some men wearing it.
Diameter is 35 mm, the typical day date 36 mm so it’s not that small

And I think the list is longer than 1 year.

Yes, you are right, it’s unisex. I asked the boutique about it a few weeks ago and they told me about a year, maybe a little more.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

Yes, you are right, it’s unisex. I asked the boutique about it a few weeks ago and they told me about a year, maybe a little more.

The wait is definitely more from what I've been told.

[Mills_]

Originally Posted by accountank2000

Back in 2018 (when waitlist ticked up from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 years in a relatively short space of time) they didn't ask for a deposit but as the list got longer they required a signed application form giving them your personal info and asking what FPJ or other pieces you owned. I gave them one, and they confirmed I was added to the list and that the order of the list was the same whether I had signed up with Geneva, Paris or elsewhere.

Yes, I was late 2018 to join the list also. Told 2 years. No deposit. Same process as with you in terms of details and asking what watches I own.

Haven't heard anything since.

Curious when sgwatchguy joined the list to have to pay a 50% deposit.

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by Mills_

Yes, I was late 2018 to join the list also. Told 2 years. No deposit. Same process as with you in terms of details and asking what watches I own.

Haven't heard anything since.

Curious when sgwatchguy joined the list to have to pay a 50% deposit.

I must clarify I was responding to their deposit practices, not specific to CB. It was a CS in my case.

[_speedmaster_]

Originally Posted by Mills_

Yes, I was late 2018 to join the list also. Told 2 years. No deposit. Same process as with you in terms of details and asking what watches I own.

Haven't heard anything since.

Curious when sgwatchguy joined the list to have to pay a 50% deposit.

Same as you. NYC boutique.

[BendyBee]

Originally Posted by _speedmaster_

Same as you. NYC boutique.

Same at Tokyo boutique at the end of 2018. I even offered to pay the deposit but they said no.

[Mills_]

Originally Posted by BendyBee

Same at Tokyo boutique at the end of 2018. I even offered to pay the deposit but they said no.

Wonder if I beat you in. I'm November 21.

[Skyrider01]

I just spoke to my contact at one of the boutiques.
The CB is not discontinued.
Delivery time for the 40mm Elegante is next year or 2023, depending on the model.

[bibbi]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

I just spoke to my contact at one of the boutiques.
The CB is not discontinued.
Delivery time for the 40mm Elegante is next year or 2023, depending on the model.

Silly question, probably, but can one get enlisted on Elegante without prior purchase history at the Boutique?

[GreenLantern]

Remember when the CB was the entry-level Journe?

Remember when the CB got too popular and then the Elegante became the "common-folk" entry-level Journe?

Now no one can start collecting.

[DoraTheExplorerII]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Remember when the CB was the entry-level Journe?

Remember when the CB got too popular and then the Elegante became the "common-folk" entry-level Journe?

Now no one can start collecting.

We have to start at grand complications and work our way down to entry-level

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by DoraTheExplorerII

We have to start at grand complications and work our way down to entry-level

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by DoraTheExplorerII

We have to start at grand complications and work our way down to entry-level

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Silly question, probably, but can one get enlisted on Elegante without prior purchase history at the Boutique?

For the 48mm, probably not at this point. The list is 4 years, and I don't know if they are taking any more names. The 40mm, maybe.
You would have to call or visit a boutique and ask them.

When I was at my local boutique a few weeks ago, they said that you have to tell them what you are interested in, then based on your relationship with them they will decide who gets what. They want to make sure they are not selling to flippers. Pretty much all watches have to be ordered.

[lutchki]

It seems like this will be a turnoff to many. Same as people being turned off by Rolex. If you have to beg and pant for every single model in the lineup seems ridiculous. Not the same over at Patek, AP, Vacheron where there are many available styles and price ranges besides the hot ones.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by lutchki

It seems like this will be a turnoff to many. Same as people being turned off by Rolex. If you have to beg and pant for every single model in the lineup seems ridiculous. Not the same over at Patek, AP, Vacheron where there are many available styles and price ranges besides the hot ones.

That’s what happens when you make 900 pieces vs 50-60,000. Terry churns out more 5711 per year than FPJ does watches.

[lutchki]

Originally Posted by GB-man

That’s what happens when you make 900 pieces vs 50-60,000. Terry churns out more 5711 per year than FPJ does watches.

Rolex churns out over a million.

Lange does less the 5k. There are plenty of models.

FPJ can double his production tomorrow by hiring another couple watchmakers and still not sacrifice on quality and still be called a boutique brand. It’s all a game. He wants this game and as long as people will play it he has to be nuts not too.

If you have the same Super VIP taking all the new stuff and can get as many CB they want, how can a new young collector even get his foot in The door. Maybe his dad can put him on the waiting list when he’s 9 so he can get one when he graduates college.

Same with Rolex, any high roller will get all the Daytona they want so no one stands a chance. They should limit these super popular ones to 1 per customer lifetime. Supermarkets figured this out when they sell pasta cheap. They limit.

Just sayin.