5131 - what's the best way of getitng one?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Passionata

I always thought 001 was w/o snow.

No.
001, 010 and 011 all have different city rings. No two Cloisonné dials match.

[Russell996]

001 city ring. London is on the outer ring and large red GMT arrow.






010 city ring. London on the inner ring and both Sydney and Brisbane feature.






011 city ring. London on inner ring but no Brisbane.



If you are buying on the secondary market the most important feature to look for is a Cloisonné that really appeals to you - as you can see from the top two pictures there are massive differences. I took both the top two pictures and the two pieces are that different in colour. If you are lucky enough to get an allocation new you take what you are given, buying used you can do some comparison of the Cloisonné dials before buying. Bottom picture is from Patek web site - their photos suck!

Direct comparison of the top two pieces, bad iPhone photo but still the difference is clear.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by onmyhand

Please advise, as I am only into PP in the last 3 years and not very experienced in the market history.

Which would be a better investment, the 5170P or 5131P?

5131P


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[sgwatch]

Did Sydney have a time change recently (looking relative to Tokyo)? I probably just missed it.

[multimedia]

Originally Posted by sgwatch

Did Sydney have a time change recently (looking relative to Tokyo)? I probably just missed it.

Well... right now the time here in Hong Kong is, 12:54. Tokyo, 13:54. Sydney 15:54 and Auckland, 17:54

So that looks about right to me.

Cheers,
Joe

[superstarmar]

[GB-man]

For most it would be to pay markup. For you? It would be to get in your new friends fathers good graces.

[mps354]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Interestingly I got a rather different impression about the 5170P from 3 recent AD visits. It is clearly not an application piece and is available from an AD’s window if the timing is right - indeed I tried one on from Wempe’s window the day it came into stock but nevertheless in the flesh it is gorgeous, likely to be in production for only 2 years and as always with platinum be a lower volume piece. It is now the only 5170 piece.

I've heard similar. Either way, I was not a fan of the diamond markers when it first came out, but in person it's stunning. Hope to have an incoming thread in the not too distant future

[Hamish]

What he said

[Hamish]

Sorry I didn't see the 2nd page

[Hamish]

Mine has 011 city ring

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Hamish

Mine has 011 city ring

:thumbs:
They are all beautiful.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Russell996

R was produced for only 3 years, not many 001 versions, second year had the 010 changed city dial with Sydney and Brisbane and third and final year with 011 city ring.

what is the purpose of this? just curious. 3 versions in 3 years seems like an attempt to make each version even more rare with subtle differences or was there a practical reason? On the surface it does seem like Patek is insuring the future rarity of the piece(s) at auction.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

what is the purpose of this? just curious. 3 versions in 3 years seems like an attempt to make each version even more rare with subtle differences or was there a practical reason? On the surface it does seem like Patek is insuring the future rarity of the piece(s) at auction.

5131R 001 was introduced at Basel 2015. The city ring was done to match the preceding G version (this had a couple of versions over the years). However Moscow had already changed their daylight saving hours in 2014. This means the 001 version was actually wrong at the time of introduction at Basel 2015.

5131R 010 version was introduced at Basel 2016 using a new city ring with Moscow moved - PP also in their wisdom decided to have Sydney and Brisbane on the dial (although there is a time difference this is only for 6 months of the year) which was the same as they previewed for the 5930 and the 5230 pieces at Basel 2016. The 5131R 010 went straight into production. However by the time of customer pieces being delivered the 5230 and 5930 had a changed city ring to a version without Brisbane (amongst other changes).

5131R 011 version was introduced at Basel 2017 using a city ring to match the new version already adopted for the 5230 and 5930.

There have been numerous changes over the life of the 5110/5130/5131 pieces to the city ring but not 3 changes in 3 years that occurred with the 5131R.

There was also another change to the city ring for the 010 and 011 versions. The 5230 was introduced in 2016 and was 1mm smaller than the 5130/5131. This meant the outer city ring was reduced in circumference for the 5230 to fit the smaller case. This change was also adopted for the 5131R 010/011 - when compared to the 001 version (and all previous 5131's) this can clearly be seen when you look at the city dial. The 010 and 011 versions are more cluttered, not only because of the swop of the cities between the outer track and the inner track but also because there is less room on the outer track due to a smaller circumference. (I need to get out more!)

On the image below the red and blue outer lines show the reduction in circumference of the outer city ring between 001 and 010/011. The inner red line is identical and shows an unchanged inner circumference. 001 city ring is on the left half, 010 city ring is the right half.

[Hamish]

Cool
Thanks for sharing

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Russell996

5131R 001 was introduced at Basel 2015. The city ring was done to match the preceding G version (this had a couple of versions over the years). However Moscow had already changed their daylight saving hours in 2014. This means the 001 version was actually wrong at the time of introduction at Basel 2015.

5131R 010 version was introduced at Basel 2016 using a new city ring with Moscow moved - PP also in their wisdom decided to have Sydney and Brisbane on the dial (although there is a time difference this is only for 6 months of the year) which was the same as they previewed for the 5930 and the 5230 pieces at Basel 2016. The 5131R 010 went straight into production. However by the time of customer pieces being delivered the 5230 and 5930 had a changed city ring to a version without Brisbane (amongst other changes).

5131R 011 version was introduced at Basel 2017 using a city ring to match the new version already adopted for the 5230 and 5930.

There have been numerous changes over the life of the 5110/5130/5131 pieces to the city ring but not 3 changes in 3 years that occurred with the 5131R.

There was also another change to the city ring for the 010 and 011 versions. The 5230 was introduced in 2016 and was 1mm smaller than the 5130/5131. This meant the outer city ring was reduced in circumference for the 5230 to fit the smaller case. This change was also adopted for the 5131R 010/011 - when compared to the 001 version (and all previous 5131's) this can clearly be seen when you look at the city dial. The 010 and 011 versions are more cluttered, not only because of the swop of the cities between the outer track and the inner track but also because there is less room on the outer track due to a smaller circumference. (I need to get out more!)

On the image below the red and blue outer lines show the reduction in circumference of the outer city ring between 001 and 010/011. The inner red line is identical and shows an unchanged inner circumference. 001 city ring is on the left half, 010 city ring is the right half.

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super informative ,the font size remained the same 001 vs 010/11 at least fr me looks so.
Nice addition on the 011 Midway and South Georgia I mean for those who are interested in Naval military history.

[Jetkopite]

I prefer the more spacious city ring appearance on the 001 version. My only regret is not having Dubai on my 5131R dial as I’ve spent a chunk of my life in Dubai and would have been nice to see that city on my wrist in years to come.... :(((

[tyler1980]

thanks for the explanation Russell.

[VFA]

Why not get this enamel world timer?

http://www.vacheron-constantin.com/e...000p-9772.html

[Marciano490]

I sometimes leave my door unlocked when I walk my dogs - that might be your best bet.

[toucan]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

I sometimes leave my door unlocked when I walk my dogs - that might be your best bet.

I know where u live!

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

I sometimes leave my door unlocked when I walk my dogs - that might be your best bet.

[bh_horology]

Originally Posted by ark1g09

I was in that shop today! Brunch was at Wolseley so strolled thru Burlington - went in and asked.

It was £105k. No thanks!

Also not interested in the 5131p at all, the link strap really doesn't do it for me, I definitely want leather.

I guess the most sensible course of action is to see what they come up with in Basel, then decide whether to wait for newer iterations or cough up resell.

I really want that enamel.

That is crazy, $145K!!!

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by toucan

I know where u live!

Yes, but you don’t know which sock drawer I hide my watches in!

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Russell996

5131R 001 was introduced at Basel 2015. The city ring was done to match the preceding G version (this had a couple of versions over the years). However Moscow had already changed their daylight saving hours in 2014. This means the 001 version was actually wrong at the time of introduction at Basel 2015.

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Russel do you know if the 5131 bezel integrated to the case or separate ?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Passionata

Russel do you know if the 5131 bezel integrated to the case or separate ?

To be honest I don’t know, looks integrated to me.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Russell996

To be honest I don’t know, looks integrated to me.

i think so too ,just i wasn t confident , have seen some restoration vids from PP and most of the PM cases were polished together(i mean case w. the bezel).

[kingofthehill]

Originally Posted by Russell996

5131R 001 was introduced at Basel 2015. The city ring was done to match the preceding G version (this had a couple of versions over the years). However Moscow had already changed their daylight saving hours in 2014. This means the 001 version was actually wrong at the time of introduction at Basel 2015.

5131R 010 version was introduced at Basel 2016 using a new city ring with Moscow moved - PP also in their wisdom decided to have Sydney and Brisbane on the dial (although there is a time difference this is only for 6 months of the year) which was the same as they previewed for the 5930 and the 5230 pieces at Basel 2016. The 5131R 010 went straight into production. However by the time of customer pieces being delivered the 5230 and 5930 had a changed city ring to a version without Brisbane (amongst other changes).

5131R 011 version was introduced at Basel 2017 using a city ring to match the new version already adopted for the 5230 and 5930.

There have been numerous changes over the life of the 5110/5130/5131 pieces to the city ring but not 3 changes in 3 years that occurred with the 5131R.

There was also another change to the city ring for the 010 and 011 versions. The 5230 was introduced in 2016 and was 1mm smaller than the 5130/5131. This meant the outer city ring was reduced in circumference for the 5230 to fit the smaller case. This change was also adopted for the 5131R 010/011 - when compared to the 001 version (and all previous 5131's) this can clearly be seen when you look at the city dial. The 010 and 011 versions are more cluttered, not only because of the swop of the cities between the outer track and the inner track but also because there is less room on the outer track due to a smaller circumference. (I need to get out more!)

On the image below the red and blue outer lines show the reduction in circumference of the outer city ring between 001 and 010/011. The inner red line is identical and shows an unchanged inner circumference. 001 city ring is on the left half, 010 city ring is the right half.

In my humble opinion, in their current guise world time timepieces are highly compromised; unable to accurately or completely conduct their complication at more or less any time or to remain timeless, given their inability to be future proofed. Whilst I find the concept appealing and the execution of several highly attractive, I have long struggled with the relevance and value of these timepieces as a result.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by kingofthehill

In my humble opinion, in their current guise world time timepieces are highly compromised; unable to accurately or completely conduct their complication at more or less any time or to remain timeless, given their inability to be future proofed. Whilst I find the concept appealing and the execution of several highly attractive, I have long struggled with the relevance and value of these timepieces as a result.

Well I guess you feel the same about all mechanical Watches since they simply cannot be accurate compared to the electronic alternatives.

Can’t think of a nicer way to get a rough idea (give or take an hour) of the time around the World. Both floored but ....so what!

[kingofthehill]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Well I guess you feel the same about all mechanical Watches since they simply cannot be accurate compared to the electronic alternatives.

Taking your point at face value, I would suggest that I would personally see any timepiece that is only able to present a "rough idea" of the time, date, some other function or, perhaps worse still, whatever its 'complication raison d'être' might be as futile. Fortunately, in my personal view most watches are able to serve their function far more effectively than many world time timepieces do.

Consider, for example, even flawed complications, such as annual calendars...aside from a single point in the year, the timepiece perfectly fulfils its function, whilst that point of error is easily remedied without challenge. As an aside, one might add that the function also has certain virtues over its 'more perfect' perpetual calendar alternative, offering a generally cleaner dial, less delicate mechanism and materially lower price point.