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[Dr. Robert]

I am built for comfort, not for speed.......I vote for comfort.
On your deathbed you're not gonna think about work or money.

[JasoninDenver]

Simple Question:

If money were the same for both positions, which would you choose?


Like many of the other posters mentioned, it isn't all about the money. If the job does not have some intrinsic enjoyment, it will always feel empty no matter how much money you are making.

[jedgeworth]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Oh man... I am more confused

Don't over think it. Go with your gut. Do you want new options or will you be content wondering if you are over qualified for the next several months.

[threemonkeys]

I am also currently working for a non-profit and battle this question quite often as I could make much more $ venturing back out to the 'real' world. Sometimes 'comfortable' does not mean complacent or lazy. Maybe it means you are happy. Of course, only you can answer that question.

Forget the money for a moment and ask yourself where you would be most happy. Perhaps that will help you decide.

[blackmsport]

I have no debts, houses paid off, I work to ...
1. Get my kids through private school
2. Get each of them a city apartment as in their generations it will be hell for them to afford anything in Sydney and Melbourne
3. Support my hobbies (watches, pens, cars and bicycles)

I don't want to be bored but again I don't want to get stress...

I am energetic, I cannot sit still.... on weekends I am always on the bike or at the pool doing laps

Technically, I know my stuff..... ones that stress me out are corporate culture, people and managers who have no idea what to do....

Wifey said last night, do it otherwise you get bored in three months and this job won't wait for you

[Dripp]

I'll you like I tell everyone...in my opinion, 80% or more of job satisfaction and/enjoyment is who you work with. Everything you read says find what you love and do that. But if that's a job with sh*tty people if will be terrible, more money or not. I'm all about working with balanced, talented people.

You certainly don't know what the people are at the opportunity, but what about where you are?

[eman1200]

black....I like the idea of your pro's n con's list....keep expanding on that and the answer will eventually just come to you. keep working that list, and add 'weights' to each positive/negative (1 positive could be 'cuter chicks in the office' while another positive could be 'doing meaningful work'. while both are positives, one of these clearly should weight more than the other, I'm just not the one to say which one ;) )
good luck whatever u decide.

[blackmsport]

where I am... very nice people

But young ones leave... last 10 months 7 young ones leave in a team of 18.... not healthy signs... older ones stay.....

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Wifey said last night, do it otherwise you get bored in three months and this job won't wait for you

[sherwin]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

I have no debts, houses paid off, I work to ...
1. Get my kids through private school
2. Get each of them a city apartment as in their generations it will be hell for them to afford anything in Sydney and Melbourne
3. Support my hobbies (watches, pens, cars and bicycles)

I don't want to be bored but again I don't want to get stress...

I am energetic, I cannot sit still.... on weekends I am always on the bike or at the pool doing laps

Technically, I know my stuff..... ones that stress me out are corporate culture, people and managers who have no idea what to do....

Wifey said last night, do it otherwise you get bored in three months and this job won't wait for you

I think you have answered your own question here. The checklist for moving onto the new and exciting roles have been ticked.

[rajurama]

Rule #1 'Boss is always right!'
Rule #2 'Read rule #1'

Boss ofcourse is your wife!

[2careless]

If I understand that you have extra energy under your belt then it's a no-brainer. NGO jobs are easy and make people feel too comfy. So maybe it's time to look around.
However, whether this is the right one is another topic.
Your consideration should be whether you put extra 15-20 hours a week and you get the appropriate increase in income.
Also job security, how stable will be with the retailer? I know it's huge but will they cut loose the whole new team very decisively if projections aren't achieved? Usually successful companies are the ruthless ones...

[blackmsport]

I am turning against the offer

I spoke to a few people internally at the new place ... 8-9pm nightly is normal....late hour is not my cup of tea

I walk to the door 5:25 daily to see my kids and it's nice

extra 25% is not worth it

Oh well.... I am not popular with the recruiter now

[masterserg]

How old are you? If you are in your 20's or 30's ... it is no time to be lazy (using your own words) ...

[blackmsport]

I've been working 20 years now..... time to be lazy

[jas55]

Perhaps it depends upon your current financial situation and what your looking for in the future. Sounds like maybe you could keep your current position, and perhaps have some spare time to persue other interests? Either way good luck.

[rolio]

If you are making 80k or more, there will always be the sacrifice in time, which ultimately means extreme losses on the backend. If the work is sustainable, I would always go for the one which makes me happier every time. Two things which are priceless: time and happiness.

[blackmsport]

Originally Posted by rolio

If you are making 80k or more, there will always be the sacrifice in time, which ultimately means extreme losses on the backend. If the work is sustainable, I would always go for the one which makes me happier every time. Two things which are priceless: time and happiness.

it depends .... if you are a specialist you can make 200K and still work 7.5 hours a day

but the skill set must be specialised and in high demand

[RotaryRider]

I hope this doesn't sound too corny, but our ex CEO (now Chairman) described very beautifully what he thinks about his job/position/profession. He said all these years he has treated this as his "life's work" and that helped him make the right life/career/professional decisions. This resonates with me. My suggestion is, what job would you like to be considered your "Life's Work"; go with that, all else will fall in place.

P.S - just to state the obvious, "it" may not be either of these two positions. Sorry if this confused you even more

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

it depends .... if you are a specialist you can make 200K and still work 7.5 hours a day

but the skill set must be specialised and in high demand

Very true and you have to keep your skills current and sometimes modify them a bit to remain in high demand.

BTW - 20 years working isn't time to be lazy: you have just been warming up!!!

Your highest earning potential may still be in front of you. Don't check out mentally quite yet: keep your eyes open for an offer that screams at you and hopefully encompasses most (if not all) of what you've mentioned are aspects you like.

P.S. With no challenge, there is no victory.

[hunz]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

I am turning against the offer

I spoke to a few people internally at the new place ... 8-9pm nightly is normal....late hour is not my cup of tea

I walk to the door 5:25 daily to see my kids and it's nice

extra 25% is not worth it

Oh well.... I am not popular with the recruiter now

Screw the recruiter. Who are they looking out for? They want their "20%"

Look out for yourself and family first.

[blackmsport]

I turned down the offer

Stay where I am and happy where I am

I can see my kids more often

Thanks G for that

[threemonkeys]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

I turned down the offer

Stay where I am and happy where I am

I can see my kids more often

Thanks G for that

Nice! Happiness and time with family is precious. Congrats.

[Gaijin]

Remember.

More money = more Rolex.

[zak98]

i am in similar position. same company but left global marketing manager position for something more low key. people and group direction made my decision for me.

environment. 20% more would NOT get me back into it. 50%.... ahh maybe. but with some type of contract, and i know contracts go both ways. but environment and NOT getting up in the morning and hating ones job, was much more important over $ (even if i have to give up those extra rolex acquisitions! ) JMHO, good luck!

[blackmsport]

Just got told off by the recruiter for wasting their time

On wednesday they rang about 6 times pressured me to resign by 6pm I told them NO then thursday morning they rang a blasted me on the phone for wasting their time....

It's OK for them to say NO to candidates but if we say NO to offer... we got told to pee off

[johnbeth]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Just got told off by the recruiter for wasting their time

On wednesday they rang about 6 times pressured me to resign by 6pm I told them NO then thursday morning they rang a blasted me on the phone for wasting their time....

It's OK for them to say NO to candidates but if we say NO to offer... we got told to pee off

I was a recruiter many moons who and to be honest here some used the agency to receive better perks and pay rises in their existing roles so I can see why they are frustrated. From your perspective what I dont understand, if you did not want to move why go through the recruitment process? As a candidate you should have done your homework after the first interview about the company, long before you were offered the job to see whether they are a suitable company for you and not stuff them around after offer was made to you days ago.
Ultimately its your conscience and you do what you have to do for you and your family.

John

[blackmsport]

I apoligized and told them it's my fault

I woudl have done it if she didn't ring me 6 times a day to pressure me to resign...

The pressure made me think twice about the role

[axxeman01]

My only advice is to never let money be your primary motivator for switching jobs. It'll bite you in the ass every time.

[Mike_Templar]

I agree completely with DiamondJack.
The only reason you go there is for money. This whole new age do what you love is a bunch of crap. There are only so many Steve Job's in the world, the rest of us are mercenary's of some sort. I'm not saying take a job on a crab fishing boat in Antarctica if you can make an extra 1%, I'm saying 20% is significant and unless there are too many negatives associated with it, I think I would do it for sure.

The most important thing is health and diet and you can afford to be healthier and eat better with more money. It also buys you the ability to live in a safer environment, etc. etc. and do more for your family / children. I guess I'm old school.