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slik_234 · 6 March 2012, 06:29 PM

I was once offered brand new 111 for a bit less than 5000 dollars. If I were you and could get similar deal I wouldn't even bother to think dropping my 3500 dollars for used one and still unsure about the authenticity and without paper.

Shade · 6 March 2012, 08:23 PM

Or you could always get a brand new 000 for a little more than 3500..

MrJ320 · 7 March 2012, 11:20 AM

Would definitely get it checked out.

Chaos · 7 March 2012, 01:54 PM

you were quite lucky guy -- this watch is FAKE

movmt has wrong cotes de geneve finish; movmt is low beat 18kvph instead 21kvph -- it's an Asian clone ; incablock is nonexistant in it; big gears are wrong with rounded screws and beveled, instead flat screws and almost no bevel in genuine

few words -- bad pics , no way - because all that hints I gave you are hard to be seen on bad quality pic's.

best

bmwwilliams · 7 March 2012, 09:26 PM

Agree with you Chaos...

A strong cue for me is always the crown and crown guard, as these are often imperfect. Movement reproduction seems to be getting better and better.

In your first pic, you can see the end of the crown guard lever is sitting well away from the case - Authentic ones sit practically flat to the case edge.

As well, there looks to be an unusual spacer underneath the crown itself. I've never seen a 111 up close, but it looks fairly shoddy, which is a prime indicator.

grew · 8 March 2012, 10:11 AM

nevermind

ancs88 · 8 March 2012, 02:38 PM

Fake

6 March 2012, 08:23 PM	#32
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	Or you could always get a brand new 000 for a little more than 3500.. __________________ My collections.. Plus PAM 233, 232, 249 & PAM 417.

8 March 2012, 10:11 AM	#36
grew "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: LA Posts: 164	nevermind Last edited by grew; 8 March 2012 at 10:47 AM.. Reason: i was wrong

6 March 2012, 06:29 PM	#31
slik_234 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Jakarta Watch: Sub 116610-PAM321 Posts: 63	I was once offered brand new 111 for a bit less than 5000 dollars. If I were you and could get similar deal I wouldn't even bother to think dropping my 3500 dollars for used one and still unsure about the authenticity and without paper.

7 March 2012, 11:20 AM	#33
MrJ320 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: James Location: Toronto Watch: IG: @j.project Posts: 2,194	Would definitely get it checked out.

7 March 2012, 01:54 PM	#34
Chaos "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 309	you were quite lucky guy -- this watch is FAKE movmt has wrong cotes de geneve finish; movmt is low beat 18kvph instead 21kvph -- it's an Asian clone ; incablock is nonexistant in it; big gears are wrong with rounded screws and beveled, instead flat screws and almost no bevel in genuine few words -- bad pics , no way - because all that hints I gave you are hard to be seen on bad quality pic's. best

7 March 2012, 09:26 PM	#35
bmwwilliams "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sydney Watch: Explorer I, GMT II Posts: 68	Agree with you Chaos... A strong cue for me is always the crown and crown guard, as these are often imperfect. Movement reproduction seems to be getting better and better. In your first pic, you can see the end of the crown guard lever is sitting well away from the case - Authentic ones sit practically flat to the case edge. As well, there looks to be an unusual spacer underneath the crown itself. I've never seen a 111 up close, but it looks fairly shoddy, which is a prime indicator.

8 March 2012, 02:38 PM	#37
ancs88 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Alan Ng Location: Shanghai, China Posts: 76	Fake

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