1675 Jordanian army

[greekbum]

Do you think the text on the dial is original?

[jban5]

Well one consolation with bringing this watch to the light here is if you ever want to sell it you will be able to explain the full circumstances with the dial and watch so whoever the next buyer is will understand that he is not getting a watch that was issued by the Jordanian government.

We can only hope that the next owner, when/if that ever happens, doesn't try to misrepresent it in the future. Of course now a google search will likely find this thread and thwart those efforts.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by JustinRolex

How comes?

Because this dial has no provenance whatsoever. It could've been made by anyone. And, like you did say in your very first post, the guy you bought it from said he had it for "many years". So, the watch was cobbled together, and the dial came from a shop that was selling it as is. Were there papers with the dial proving it was a Jordanian-issued military dial? I guess, the crux of all of this is there's nothing proving authenticity of this watch.
But, if you're cool with that...

[JustinRolex]

Maybe the person I got it from is the person that showed this dial to Lamone?
I will find out and post today
Thanks for all comments

[JustinRolex]

Originally Posted by greekbum

Do you think the text on the dial is original?

Yes from what I've been told it's factory

[Tzachi]

interesting thread.

I may be able to assist. a good friend is directly connected to the Royal family. and he speaks the language and the dialects,
I'll show him and ask for exact translation, and
he may be able to "research" about the "story". I'll show him the photo and share.
T.

[JustinRolex]

Originally Posted by Tzachi

interesting thread.

I may be able to assist. a good friend is directly connected to the Royal family. and he speaks the language and the dialects,
I'll show him and ask for exact translation, and
he may be able to "research" about the "story". I'll show him the photo and share.
T.

Any additional info would be greAt!

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by JustinRolex

Maybe the person I got it from is the person that showed this dial to Lamone?
I will find out and post today
Thanks for all comments

Did you ever find out?

[doramas]

wonderful

[JustinRolex]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Did you ever find out?

I believe it could be the same person

[Johny]

Originally Posted by Lamone

Thanks for the pictures, it appears to be the same dial with the same damage at 8 o'clock and lume degradation.

well spotted.

[Micha]

and the suspense continues...

[jban5]

So, are we at the point with this that the very best case scenario is the possibility the dial might be authentic but installed into a watch with no relationship to Jordan?

[Mauiguy]

One of my first vintage watches was a 1665 great white in excellent condition. The case was fat with sharp bevels and the trit dial was stunning white will full plots, etc. The seller represented this watch as a "period correct" example and I paid top dollar for it at the time. I wore it proudly for several years and when the honeymoon wore off I decided to sell it in search of something new. That was when a good friend of mine and fellow collector spotted my ad and astutley observed the dial version didn't match the serial range of the watch. It was a bitter pill to swallow but in the interest of full disclosure I modified my ad and made sure prospective buyers knew they were basically looking at a frankenwatch - a nice looking frakenwatch. but something with no provenance, and no guarantees. I also lowered the price to reflect what I thought it was worth (totally subjective, but hey).

When it eventually sold. I took a substantial hit on the sale, but in this hobby reputation is everything. Buy the seller was my lesson, that famous term that keeps getting repated here and in other forums. To me it means buy the seller's story first. Do your due dilligence and stick with the reputable people knowing that even they can occasionally make mistakes. Vintage watch collecting, especially the world of Rolex is just loaded with landmines. Be careful out there!

[TheRolexKingofLV]

It's kinda like the Tiffany&Co. dials...unless you have the paperwork, all you have is a story.

[ibramr]

Greetings. Indeed, it could be the signature of King Hussein. In Arabic his name would be spelled "حسين". He elegantly combined the two dots under the third letter (from right to left) with the dot above the fourth letter, and placed all of them over the last letter. He also used a type of calligraphy that would permit the write-up to be without (for lack of better words) the nibs of each letter, so the س would be written as ---. The closest I know of this type of calligraphy is , رقعه which is quite common in the Arab World. A very nice watch. Thanks for sharing.

[JustinRolex]

Originally Posted by ibramr

Greetings. Indeed, it could be the signature of King Hussein. In Arabic his name would be spelled "حسين". He elegantly combined the two dots under the third letter (from right to left) with the dot above the fourth letter, and placed all of them over the last letter. He also used a type of calligraphy that would permit the write-up to be without (for lack of better words) the nibs of each letter, so the س would be written as ---. The closest I know of this type of calligraphy is , رقعه which is quite common in the Arab World. A very nice watch. Thanks for sharing.

Wow that is some good news. Is there any more you can tell us?
Thanks

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

It's kinda like the Tiffany&Co. dials...unless you have the paperwork, all you have is a story.

Sad, but true

[harry in montreal]

What would a Mideast crest, if genuine, add to the value of a 1675. I see these dials with crests etc and am curious. Harry

[spoilsofwar01]

Originally Posted by jban5

I was also wondering if you had any paperwork on the watch. If you have the certification I think it would at least have a country code the watch was shipped to.

If only Rolex would only open an office to offer extracts of the archives like some others do.

Gets my vote, id be interested to learn more about my 1968 5513,

[joli160]

Without provenance it has no added value imho

[JustinRolex]

Originally Posted by joli160

Without provenance it has no added value imho

Seems we have a provenance now buddy

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by JustinRolex

Seems we have a provenance now buddy

Yes, agreed. If this watch ever goes to auction, your buddy just needs to print out a screenshot of this thread where some random guy is saying that it could be real. That should clear any doubts that a potential buyer may have.

[TheRolexKingofLV]

Originally Posted by JustinRolex

Seems we have a provenance now buddy

What provenance are you talking about?

[agedpatina]

I'm hardly a Rolex expert, but as a collector reading this thread with no bias, here's my take:

You have an interesting dial, with perhaps an interesting story, but with no documentation supporting your watch all you have is hearsay and that is not provenance.

Nevertheless, if you like it and are happy with it, all the power to you!

Personally I would want a refund.


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[roh123]

Well.. We have some provenance as we know the lose dial was for sale some years ago. :)

[JustinRolex]

I'm sure some of use are just hear to bash things

Like I Originallly posted I was told it came from Jordan
Yes this was a loose dial but the conformation of what it says is a good sign to me regarding the provenance of the dial (came from Jordan)

Seems like half of you would love it to be unoriginal, not quite sure why.
Quite sad really but never mind

[roh123]

Isn't it good that we found out this thanks to Bens post? As you weren't aware of this to begin with.

[JustinRolex]

Originally Posted by roh123

Isn't it good that we found out this thanks to Bens post? As you weren't aware of this to begin with.

Yes it is good
But not a major factor to me
I didn't buy this watch thinking they was born together which I've already cleared up.

If this was a more senior member post I'm sure use would all be hanging out the back of him

Just seems like this forum is full of sarcasm, maybe jealousy and maybe a bit of bitterness, not quite sure how to take it

Thanks to everyone who could put some decent input in...much appreciated

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by JustinRolex

Yes it is good
But not a major factor to me
I didn't buy this watch thinking they was born together which I've already cleared up.

If this was a more senior member post I'm sure use would all be hanging out the back of him

Just seems like this forum is full of sarcasm, maybe jealousy and maybe a bit of bitterness, not quite sure how to take it

Thanks to everyone who could put some decent input in...much appreciated

So now you are knocking down this forum!
You came with a claim that you can't back up. Looking for information and Ben calls out your dial.
One person says "it could be" yadda yadda..
Dude, chill it is just a forum!
It appears that you want to own a one of a kind...which appears you do..
But the question is, is it legit...
Doesn't matter how many posts you have, "if you were a senior member" you wouldn't be talking nonsense...