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BH13GMT · 2 July 2013, 09:14 PM

I was messing about with the kids in the garden, I was rugby tackled by my 4 year old son in a paddling poole (i am not joking) the watch went under water a few times max depth 20 cm's. Didnt think anything of it, later that day the mist appeared on the inside and the rest is history. I will post some pics on the damage tonight.
I have spoken to Rolex RSC in Kent) The watch is going in for an overhaul, it looks like I will be stuck with a service dial initially although they will check their inventory for any Red Dials they may have in stores.
I explained to the lady on the phone what happened and she finished my sentence by stating "the dial has lifted and flaked when the watch was dried out?" so it is a known issue. I want this episode to be a warning to us all on how easy this can happen.
Anyway, I will attempt some pics to give you all nightmares later.

Paul

cruvon · 2 July 2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 964RS

Nightmare Paul so sorry to hear this

Rolex UK will replace a red dial with a red lumi dial but its now £1500 + cost of service so don't expect any change out of £2500

That's great to hear Jason, thought they no longer give a red font red sub service replacement. But at that price I guess he's better off looking for a original dial.

Wahlberg · 2 July 2013, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

every vintage owners nightmare...

i believe this is still available

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=249855

How come these dials are available? I can't imagine people taking it from an original watch just to sell or were there a lot more available (through RSC)?

Robbyvm · 2 July 2013, 09:43 PM

i would'nt spend any money on a luminova service dial... keep it in your pocket for that right Red dial you are searching

Johny · 2 July 2013, 09:44 PM

very sorry to hear about your watch paul.

Pete17 · 2 July 2013, 09:45 PM

Any pics Paul??

I've seen water damaged vintage dials that had some visible staining but this damage seems excessive. How warm was the drying cupboard ?

Sorry to hear this mate.

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BH13GMT · 2 July 2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete17

Any pics Paul??

I've seen water damaged vintage dials that had some visible staining but this damage seems excessive. How warm was the drying cupboard ?

Sorry to hear this mate.

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the dial has cracked in to several sections and lifted, as to the temp, I will put a thermometer in the drying cupboard for an hour later to get an idea on temp. Pics will be taken tonight.
Depending how the costings come back, I think a std white service dial will make more sense if the price is going to be nearer £2.5K for a Luminova Service dial. Then I will take my time searching for a nice genuine Red Dial.
I am not sure if there is a market for Red Service Dials in Luminova, I dont think I have seen one for sale.

Mark020 · 2 July 2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wahlberg

How come these dials are available? I can't imagine people taking it from an original watch just to sell or were there a lot more available (through RSC)?

Watchmakers never throw something away....

badgtho · 3 July 2013, 04:10 AM

Was the crown fully tight?
It's hard to make a sub ingest water. If it's able to do so easily it's been ingesting air and dust for some time.

BH13GMT · 3 July 2013, 05:06 AM

QUOTE=badgtho;4249645]Was the crown fully tight?
It's hard to make a sub ingest water. If it's able to do so easily it's been ingesting air and dust for some time.[/QUOTE]

I fear the latter, I was just speaking with Gabriel (our own TRF Deadwood expert) a few weeks back about putting it in for an overhaul.

Right, off to read my son a bedtime story and I will post some pics that will make everyone wince.

BH13GMT · 3 July 2013, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BH13GMT

I will post some pics that will make everyone wince.

Here we go chaps.

Frogman4me · 3 July 2013, 06:02 AM

Oh my that is scary! I never seen a dial crack like that. Sorry again for your loss Paul. Thank you for sharing.

T.S.Eliot · 3 July 2013, 06:08 AM

Except for the crack, the dial does not look that bad, I expected more damage per your description. I would call Bob Ridley and send him pictures of the dial as he does great work and might be able to restore your dial if you want.

GeoGio Greece · 3 July 2013, 06:56 AM

I had some same story with a Datejust, when the crown was left open and then a baby was bathed, but there were flakes and a few bubbles. This Sub is a total disaster. Sorry to see it, but still how did the water enter ? As you described the incident, nothing was out of the everyday life of all of us, and with summer at its full, water of 20 cm is around our watches many times every day. Wishing you all the best !

luvsub · 3 July 2013, 07:11 AM

Geezy... really this bad.. Sorry man.

steveclocks · 3 July 2013, 07:36 AM

Oh my god!!! Paul, that's horrible ! I know how much this watch mean to you and I feel so sorry this happened to you my friend!
Good to hear you will get it serviced as soon as possible, I do think it's really essential if you want it to survive. And then...the dial...
You better take your time to find an original one for that (1972) series.
It will be an expensive fix, but I am sure it will be worth it in the end.

Tijssan · 3 July 2013, 07:53 AM

Contact Bob Ridley - He should be able to help you with everything you need I would think...

EDIT: Didn't see you're in the UK when posting above. You could still contact him though...

Mark020 · 3 July 2013, 06:01 PM

You could consider contacting Michael Young.

Kingair · 3 July 2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark020

You could consider contacting Michael Young.

Another option !

Good luck

HAGOne

Gmt1970 · 3 July 2013, 06:58 PM

Bill Rice is the man, a spot on chap.

Pete17 · 3 July 2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BH13GMT

Here we go chaps.

Hmm that's not good.

Rolex will replace it with a luminova service dial for under $450. Doesn't include other service costs though.
If you ever tried to flip it though you'd take a big hit. Very hard to sell.

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BH13GMT · 3 July 2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete17

Hmm that's not good.

Rolex will replace it with a luminova service dial for under $450. Doesn't include other service costs though.
If you ever tried to flip it though you'd take a big hit. Very hard to sell.

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Any Service Dial would be a stop gap. The watch is my birth year sub so flipping is not on the agenda I plan for it to go to my Son in years to come, plenty of others available for flipping

Pete17 · 3 July 2013, 09:26 PM

In that case I'd be getting quotes and advice from the restoration experts. A couple of good ones have already been mentioned above.
Take your time and shop around. But don't expect miracles.

Good luck!

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cruvon · 3 July 2013, 09:40 PM

I reckon only a replacement original red sub dial will help ease the pain of this experience. OP, you could try mending this dial with the suggested restorers till you find a replacement! Think dial mending is cheap.

Vincent65 · 3 July 2013, 10:28 PM

ouch - that's painful, sorry man

etp095 · 4 July 2013, 02:45 AM

Sorry to see that happen to your dial,hope the experts can set your beauty straight.

onkyo · 4 July 2013, 03:11 AM

So sorry this happened.

I bet the dial can be saved with a skilled watchmaker.

A lesson to all vintage enthusiasts.... keep your watches dry. I don't even let rain hit mine.

GeoGio Greece · 4 July 2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by onkyo

So sorry this happened.

I bet the dial can be saved with a skilled watchmaker.

A lesson to all vintage enthusiasts.... keep your watches dry. I don't even let rain hit mine.

A well maintained Sub must be capable of surviving rain.

I use mine in all water activities, but check it two three times per year.

I take the calculated risk, but well know that all seals and crystal are in shape. No safe box for my watch. Water use and small dives to 12-15 m.

s4dan · 5 July 2013, 06:11 AM

Mate!! have not been on TRF for a few days and couldn't believe it when I saw this thread. Absolutely gutted beyond belief for you

.
That was one hell of an adverse reaction to the moisture ingression.
Hope it all works out for you in the end.

Good luck

topcat30093 · 5 July 2013, 10:17 AM

Paul, I have just seen your post.

I cannot even start to imagine how you must have felt when you first saw it.

But hopefully with the right help & time, a nice genuine replacement dial can be sourced.

Good luck.

2 July 2013, 09:14 PM	#31
BH13GMT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Paul Location: UK, Dorset Watch: and learn Posts: 2,631	I was messing about with the kids in the garden, I was rugby tackled by my 4 year old son in a paddling poole (i am not joking) the watch went under water a few times max depth 20 cm's. Didnt think anything of it, later that day the mist appeared on the inside and the rest is history. I will post some pics on the damage tonight. I have spoken to Rolex RSC in Kent) The watch is going in for an overhaul, it looks like I will be stuck with a service dial initially although they will check their inventory for any Red Dials they may have in stores. I explained to the lady on the phone what happened and she finished my sentence by stating "the dial has lifted and flaked when the watch was dried out?" so it is a known issue. I want this episode to be a warning to us all on how easy this can happen. Anyway, I will attempt some pics to give you all nightmares later. Paul __________________ Rolex Sub 1680, Rolex GMT 116710LN, Rolex Datejust 16220 Salmon Dial (the Mrs), Tudor BB58, Tudor Pelagos Blue and Several Seiko's ************************************************ *************** "last one in the chopper is a rotten egg" Jonathan Quayle Higgins III

2 July 2013, 09:44 PM	#35
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	very sorry to hear about your watch paul. __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

2 July 2013, 09:45 PM	#36
Pete17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Pete Location: Base Camp Posts: 593	Any pics Paul?? I've seen water damaged vintage dials that had some visible staining but this damage seems excessive. How warm was the drying cupboard ? Sorry to hear this mate. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Take care Pete

3 July 2013, 04:10 AM	#39
badgtho "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT Posts: 274	Was the crown fully tight? It's hard to make a sub ingest water. If it's able to do so easily it's been ingesting air and dust for some time. __________________ 16610 Sub 1601 Datejust PAM 000 CA1215 Formula 1 Chrono Etc...

3 July 2013, 05:06 AM	#40
BH13GMT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Paul Location: UK, Dorset Watch: and learn Posts: 2,631	QUOTE=badgtho;4249645]Was the crown fully tight? It's hard to make a sub ingest water. If it's able to do so easily it's been ingesting air and dust for some time.[/QUOTE] I fear the latter, I was just speaking with Gabriel (our own TRF Deadwood expert) a few weeks back about putting it in for an overhaul. Right, off to read my son a bedtime story and I will post some pics that will make everyone wince. __________________ Rolex Sub 1680, Rolex GMT 116710LN, Rolex Datejust 16220 Salmon Dial (the Mrs), Tudor BB58, Tudor Pelagos Blue and Several Seiko's ************************************************ *************** "last one in the chopper is a rotten egg" Jonathan Quayle Higgins III

2 July 2013, 09:43 PM	#34
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	i would'nt spend any money on a luminova service dial... keep it in your pocket for that right Red dial you are searching

3 July 2013, 06:02 AM	#42
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	Oh my that is scary! I never seen a dial crack like that. Sorry again for your loss Paul. Thank you for sharing.

3 July 2013, 06:08 AM	#43
T.S.Eliot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: K Location: KSA Watch: aholic Posts: 1,499	Except for the crack, the dial does not look that bad, I expected more damage per your description. I would call Bob Ridley and send him pictures of the dial as he does great work and might be able to restore your dial if you want. __________________ "Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, / Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep seas swell / And the profit and loss. / A current under sea / Picked his bones in whispers. / As he rose and fell / He passed the stages of his age and youth / Entering the whirlpool. / Gentile or Jew / O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, / Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you." Cheers, K

3 July 2013, 06:56 AM	#44
GeoGio Greece "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: George Location: Athens, Greece Watch: es --> A lot ! Posts: 2,327	I had some same story with a Datejust, when the crown was left open and then a baby was bathed, but there were flakes and a few bubbles. This Sub is a total disaster. Sorry to see it, but still how did the water enter ? As you described the incident, nothing was out of the everyday life of all of us, and with summer at its full, water of 20 cm is around our watches many times every day. Wishing you all the best ! __________________ Rolex owner since 1971. 5513 and 16700 the loved ones. DJ WG Jubilee 16170 for wife - U series Oyster Perpetual WG 177234 for daughter V-series

3 July 2013, 07:11 AM	#45
luvsub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SF, south bay Posts: 5,179	Geezy... really this bad.. Sorry man.

3 July 2013, 07:36 AM	#46
steveclocks "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Geert Location: Belgium Watch: rolex/JLC/panerai Posts: 5,612	Oh my god!!! Paul, that's horrible ! I know how much this watch mean to you and I feel so sorry this happened to you my friend! Good to hear you will get it serviced as soon as possible, I do think it's really essential if you want it to survive. And then...the dial... You better take your time to find an original one for that (1972) series. It will be an expensive fix, but I am sure it will be worth it in the end.

3 July 2013, 07:53 AM	#47
Tijssan "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: GMT+8 Watch: this... Posts: 770	Contact Bob Ridley - He should be able to help you with everything you need I would think... EDIT: Didn't see you're in the UK when posting above. You could still contact him though...

3 July 2013, 06:01 PM	#48
Mark020 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,095	You could consider contacting Michael Young.

3 July 2013, 06:58 PM	#50
Gmt1970 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Mark Location: England Watch: GMT1675 Posts: 59	Bill Rice is the man, a spot on chap.

3 July 2013, 09:26 PM	#53
Pete17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Pete Location: Base Camp Posts: 593	In that case I'd be getting quotes and advice from the restoration experts. A couple of good ones have already been mentioned above. Take your time and shop around. But don't expect miracles. Good luck! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Take care Pete

3 July 2013, 09:40 PM	#54
cruvon "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,688	I reckon only a replacement original red sub dial will help ease the pain of this experience. OP, you could try mending this dial with the suggested restorers till you find a replacement! Think dial mending is cheap. __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

3 July 2013, 10:28 PM	#55
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,297	ouch - that's painful, sorry man

4 July 2013, 02:45 AM	#56
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	Sorry to see that happen to your dial,hope the experts can set your beauty straight. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

4 July 2013, 03:11 AM	#57
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	So sorry this happened. I bet the dial can be saved with a skilled watchmaker. A lesson to all vintage enthusiasts.... keep your watches dry. I don't even let rain hit mine.

5 July 2013, 06:11 AM	#59
s4dan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Danny Location: Stirling Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 694	Mate!! have not been on TRF for a few days and couldn't believe it when I saw this thread. Absolutely gutted beyond belief for you . That was one hell of an adverse reaction to the moisture ingression. Hope it all works out for you in the end. Good luck __________________ I'm not a complete idiot...Some parts are missing! Dying is easy...It's living that's hard.

5 July 2013, 10:17 AM	#60
topcat30093 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: England Posts: 5,425	Paul, I have just seen your post. I cannot even start to imagine how you must have felt when you first saw it. But hopefully with the right help & time, a nice genuine replacement dial can be sourced. Good luck. __________________

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