Selling 15407OR for 5164A/Platona

[ct.matt]

Originally Posted by martinr

Hurting the valuation of your watch? Seriously? Why get defensive about it, I also find the hands lack sophistication and are boring design wise. And, I used to own the watch so my opinion is based on my experience with it. It’s really a matter of personal taste isn’t it. You like the 5164, I don’t think it’s so great.

Detect the sarcasm? Suppose you didn't. I got the watch well below retail. That's great for you but last I checked I quoted pam66, not you lol

[martinr]

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September 2014 and I too bought it new from an AD at MSRP less 15%. How about that. I know you quoted someone else but I think he agreed with me about the hands of the watch. Hard to detect sarcasm when you use the dummy emoji.


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[ct.matt]

Originally Posted by martinr

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September 2014 and I too bought it new from an AD at MSRP less 15%. How about that. I know you quoted someone else but I think he agreed with me about the hands of the watch so I decided to chime in with what you consider sarcasm. But I wasn’t being sarcastic, I was stating an opinion which you seem to have a problem with.


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Not really, I'm glad there's a diversity of opinions on this forum. Would be hella boring if we all liked the same watches. My question was how the WG GMT is more 'sophisticated' when compared to the 5164. Sure, it's white gold and has more heft but beyond that it looks like a Submariner in a slightly different costume like every other professional Rolex. If you come in guns blazing, maybe be prepared to qualify and substantiate why you feel that way.

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by ct.matt

Not really, I'm glad there's a diversity of opinions on this forum. Would be hella boring if we all liked the same watches. My question was how the WG GMT is more 'sophisticated' when compared to the 5164. Sure, it's white gold and has more heft but beyond that it looks like a Submariner in a slightly different costume like every other professional Rolex. If you come in guns blazing, maybe be prepared to qualify and substantiate why you feel that way.

I think from afar, a Rolex especially with polished center links WG will look more flashy and substantial than a rubber strap aquanaut. So I will agree that for most purposes a rolex is more "flash" and recognized and perhaps projects an aura of sophistication.

However, if you pull them off your wrist and look at the dial closely, the finishing on the bezel or the movement, it is clear that the Patek is significantly more "artisan" and sophisticated. The Patek is a WIS watch and of course goes with the brand image of discreet and refine sophistication. Just like a Calatrava is even more boring :)

The general wisdom is while both watches are worn for yourself, a Rolex can be worn for the average population to recognize (including muggers and thieves and gold-diggers), while a 5164a - if it is recognized, will be the sort of recognition you do want.

Basically Rolex has more panty dropping potential.

[ct.matt]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I think from afar, a Rolex especially with polished center links WG will look more flashy and substantial than a rubber strap aquanaut. So I will agree that for most purposes a rolex is more "flash" and recognized and perhaps projects an aura of sophistication.

However, if you pull them off your wrist and look at the dial closely, the finishing on the bezel or the movement, it is clear that the Patek is significantly more "artisan" and sophisticated. The Patek is a WIS watch and of course goes with the brand image of discreet and refine sophistication. Just like a Calatrava is even more boring :)

The general wisdom is while both watches are worn for yourself, a Rolex can be worn for the average population to recognize (including muggers and thieves and gold-diggers), while a 5164a - if it is recognized, will be the sort of recognition you do want.

Basically Rolex has more panty dropping potential.

So the rule of thumb is to wear the 5164 on one wrist and the Rolex on the other. That way you drop both panties and boxer briefs, the latter worn by WIS And if you get mugged, they might let you keep the 5164A because it comes on a rubber strap.

[jag32]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I think from afar, a Rolex especially with polished center links WG will look more flashy and substantial than a rubber strap aquanaut. So I will agree that for most purposes a rolex is more "flash" and recognized and perhaps projects an aura of sophistication.

However, if you pull them off your wrist and look at the dial closely, the finishing on the bezel or the movement, it is clear that the Patek is significantly more "artisan" and sophisticated. The Patek is a WIS watch and of course goes with the brand image of discreet and refine sophistication. Just like a Calatrava is even more boring :)

The general wisdom is while both watches are worn for yourself, a Rolex can be worn for the average population to recognize (including muggers and thieves and gold-diggers), while a 5164a - if it is recognized, will be the sort of recognition you do want.

Basically Rolex has more panty dropping potential.

This is an excellent post. Spot on

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by ct.matt

So the rule of thumb is to wear the 5164 on one wrist and the Rolex on the other. That way you drop both panties and boxer briefs, the latter worn by WIS And if you get mugged, they might let you keep the 5164A because it comes on a rubber strap.

I think a Zenith Daytona with this limited edition aquanaut rubber bracelet from the 2017 New York Exhibition should suffice for both panty and boxer dropping.




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[ct.matt]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I think a Zenith Daytona with this limited edition aquanaut rubber bracelet from the 2017 New York Exhibition should suffice for both panty and boxer dropping.




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[pam66]

Originally Posted by ct.matt

You're entitled to your own opinion but I'm somewhat confused that you claim that dial and hands lack sophistication? I'm no design expert but I feel the dial is nicely balanced and has a ton of depth and details. The hands themselves don't feel as flat as they do on my Rolex. Could you elaborate how the Pepsi GMT dial offers more sophistication in terms of its dial and hands? Don't get me wrong, I like both watches and happily wear either but you have some very strong opinions that are hurting the valuation of one of my watches Have you seen the watch in the metal or worn it before?

PS: The pushers on the left actually counteract the crown guard on the right. They protrude further but if you look closely, they roughly trace the same lines.

have i seen one? yes, i own one. actually i kind of like it (really wanted an aquanaut,
not sure why now) but lets be honest, it is nowhere on the sophistication level of a nautilus. i personally prefer the functionality of the rolex GMT and the rolex design language over the aquanaut.
what is to be liked about the aquanauts in my view is that they are not pretentiously overdone, just nice and simple sports watches. ok for retail, no way for 50K usd.
no worries i can't and do not want to hurt the valuation of your watches:::))))

[ct.matt]

Originally Posted by pam66

have i seen one? yes, i own one. actually i kind of like it (really wanted an aquanaut,
not sure why now) but lets be honest, it is nowhere on the sophistication level of a nautilus. i personally prefer the functionality of the rolex GMT and the rolex design language over the aquanaut.
what is to be liked about the aquanauts in my view is that they are not pretentiously overdone, just nice and simple sports watches. ok for retail, no way for 50K usd.
no worries i can't and do not want to hurt the valuation of your watches:::))))

Take it from somebody who has traveled extensively with both watches. I usually try to get at least 5-6 hours on international flights and when you wake up dazed and confused from xanax, melatonine, and too much port wine midflight over the Pacific ocean and you want to know what time it is at home or at your destination, the 5164 is much easier to read than the GMT Master. I have to squint at the bezel and hold it up straight to figure out what number or dot the GMT hand is closest to on the Rolex

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by martinr

Hurting the valuation of your watch? Seriously? Why get defensive about it, I also find the hands lack sophistication and are boring design wise. And, I used to own the watch so my opinion is based on my experience with it. It’s really a matter of personal taste isn’t it. You like the 5164, I don’t think it’s so great.

My only gripe on the 5164a is the weaker lume compared to 5167 and the fact that the pushers cannot lock. I’ve accidentally added a few hours in the course of a day before.

I do think the 5167/5164 are tremendous watches and worthy of being classics.

[zahain]

The 15407 is a nice watch but i feel like it wears off and is overall not the best to read time + has no date. I can see why you are considering a 5164 & a platona which i would say would be a trade to go for. But i would recommend selling the OW for cash and holding out to see where patek prices will go so you dont overpay.

I see the discussion about the 5164 but i would for sure pick it over a rolex gmt. The pepsi is nice but gets boring and the 64 is probably my second favorite SS sports right after the 5968 chrono. The Royal Oak especially in gold is amazing but honestly id just buy a standard 15400 steel or gold and put the money you make flipping the 407 into what you’re looking at replacing it with if you need a RO in your collection.


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[pam66]

Originally Posted by ct.matt

Take it from somebody who has traveled extensively with both watches. I usually try to get at least 5-6 hours on international flights and when you wake up dazed and confused from xanax, melatonine, and too much port wine midflight over the Pacific ocean and you want to know what time it is at home or at your destination, the 5164 is much easier to read than the GMT Master. I have to squint at the bezel and hold it up straight to figure out what number or dot the GMT hand is closest to on the Rolex

well, i travel (a lot, often ME-US, ME- china....) with my GMT and never had issues. but i try to go easy on port:::)))

[pam66]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

My only gripe on the 5164a is the weaker lume compared to 5167 and the fact that the pushers cannot lock. I’ve accidentally added a few hours in the course of a day before.

I do think the 5167/5164 are tremendous watches and worthy of being classics.

the non-locking feature is a serious issue. the 5524 is much better there.

[CamSLC]

I'd make this trade in heart beat. I'm just not a Royal Oak guy. 5164a and YG Dayton personally. I know they're lesser in reality, but each would be worn more often for me.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

The openworks doesn’t have A display caseback?

I meant watches with a normal dial and open back is enough for me, I'm getting less interested in busy dials tbh, the 5164 and chronos are about as much detail as I want now, anything more is too much.

I think the Pepsi and 5524 are nice Bistro starters but the 5164 is the main Michelin course.

[Helmi]

How about shaking the options a bit? 5990 + 116519 wg on oyster flex

Just for fun


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[theflywrist]

I would do it in a heartbeat! I don't know the "value" of the AP so I cannot comment on whether it would be a "good" trade in terms of value, but that AP would definitely be too flashy for me as well. Beautiful design, beautiful watch, but not for me.
I think the 5164 and Platona are a heck of a duo. I would say you could be done with both those. A perfect balance IMO.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by AK797

I meant watches with a normal dial and open back is enough for me, I'm getting less interested in busy dials tbh, the 5164 and chronos are about as much detail as I want now, anything more is too much.

I think the Pepsi and 5524 are nice Bistro starters but the 5164 is the main Michelin course.

I generally agree... but the open works is iconic

[Gravity]

Of course totally subjective but I'd take either 15407 all day over your suggested alternatives. Both openworked pieces are truly rare gems and the ST is practically a unicorn. There's a reason the platonas are heavily discounted and available at many ADs, but if it's your fav then by all means make the jump but I think you'll regret it. I truly can't find anything redeeming about the aquanaut but again just my personal opinion. Either way good luck with it!

PS I wear my ST regularly ( pic was today at the cigar lounge) and find it to be not too "flashy" at all ( anything gold probably is a bit), aside from the few who know what it is, which would also apply to the platona imo.

[ct.matt]

Originally Posted by Gravity

Of course totally subjective but I'd take either 15407 all day over your suggested alternatives. Both openworked pieces are truly rare gems and the ST is practically a unicorn. There's a reason the platonas are heavily discounted and available at many ADs, but if it's your fav then by all means make the jump but I think you'll regret it. I truly can't find anything redeeming about the aquanaut but again just my personal opinion. Either way good luck with it!

PS I wear my ST regularly ( pic was today at the cigar lounge) and find it to be not too "flashy" at all ( anything gold probably is a bit), aside from the few who know what it is, which would also apply to the platona imo.

Love it hopefully the 5164 will keep increasing in value while everything else stays constant so I can one day trade for one of these or a Platona haha

[benlee]

I wont do the trade. Neither the 5164a or Platona is as interesting as the 15407 open works. Do you find it too flashy because of the RG case?

[thurgood]

Originally Posted by benlee

I wont do the trade. Neither the 5164a or Platona is as interesting as the 15407 open works. Do you find it too flashy because of the RG case?

Yes, I do find it a bit flashy, but I prefer it in rose gold to SS