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GB-man · 23 April 2021, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

Who is this “enthusiast” on the Journe payroll that is corrupting our minds?

I am undercover. I am being paid the big bucks to convince everyone here to buy Journe linesport

Swaye · 23 April 2021, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

I am undercover. I am being paid the big bucks to convince everyone here to buy Journe linesport

You've very nearly convinced me!

ajw45 · 23 April 2021, 07:59 AM

Tim has always been pretty even handed and honest about his opinion of FPJ watches. I don't see anything change in his coverage based on the latest.

Regarding breguet vs FPJ, the movement arch may be more interesting in the FPJ but $ for $ you get pretty good value in the breguet. At the very least breguet will never give you stamped guilloched dial....

Jay (Eire) · 23 April 2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by myporsche

I wouldn't worry about it too much unless your easily influenced but if your still curious you can search and go through tons of hyped up threads on the brand.

I don’t need to worry about it but I am really curious as to whom you think is on the books of Journe spreading the gospel.

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GreenLantern · 23 April 2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shafran

As for Tim's video. Govberg found out on 4/20 at around 1:30 pm. I was there at the time when it happened.

Damn that's rough. I also heard they were doing something big in their store to showcase FP Journe.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Govberg is not a regular Journe AD. They have this hybrid AD/Boutique model where some retailers are "Espaces" -- I believe this pre-dates their Boutiques, where they wanted strong supporters of the brand to help push them forward.

This means they're literally stabbing their friends in the back.

CFR · 23 April 2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

Tim has always been pretty even handed and honest about his opinion of FPJ watches. I don't see anything change in his coverage based on the latest.

Thanks for answering my question!

GreenLantern · 23 April 2021, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ajw45

Tim has always been pretty even handed and honest about his opinion of FPJ watches. I don't see anything change in his coverage based on the latest.

Regarding breguet vs FPJ, the movement arch may be more interesting in the FPJ but $ for $ you get pretty good value in the breguet. At the very least breguet will never give you stamped guilloched dial....

Tim is, indeed, always pretty even handed in general.

shafran · 23 April 2021, 07:09 PM

Their saving grace is that Govberg opened the new Patak salon in the Miami design district

Etschell · 23 April 2021, 09:32 PM

Fpj made 650 watches last year. I'm not sure why people think this route won't work. To me it indicates they don't have any desire to increase production and will simply increase prices from their 68k average as it stands now.

Yes it sucks for govberg.

christianj · 23 April 2021, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shafran

Their saving grace is that Govberg opened the new Patak salon in the Miami design district

Until Patek decides to cancel AD contracts too. Do they actually have any stock at that boutique that anyone wants?

CFR · 23 April 2021, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shafran

Their saving grace is that Govberg opened the new Patak salon in the Miami design district

Did business pick up in recent years for watch boutiques in the Miami Design District (without the pandemic)? Several years ago, nobody was going there.

ts3 · 23 April 2021, 11:04 PM

No problem from my perspective. They didn't have an AD in my country anyway, which is neither small nor poor. The nearest retail outlet has always been across the border in Switzerland.

ap1 · 23 April 2021, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Tim is, indeed, always pretty even handed in general.

Even handed? Every watch fits his tiny wrist lol

Rrpdc · 23 April 2021, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CFR

Did business pick up in recent years for watch boutiques in the Miami Design District (without the pandemic)? Several years ago, nobody was going there.

Was there first of April Was completely dead. Lot of places closed including the jlc boutique.

unknown · 24 April 2021, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ts3

No problem from my perspective. They didn't have an AD in my country anyway, which is neither small nor poor. The nearest retail outlet has always been across the border in Switzerland.

ONLY in the US !

kferg46 · 28 April 2021, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by christianj

Until Patek decides to cancel AD contracts too. Do they actually have any stock at that boutique that anyone wants?

Boutique is not even open yet.

dchang81 · 28 April 2021, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ap1

Even handed? Every watch fits his tiny wrist lol

this 48mm 1.5 cm thick watch fits perfectly my 13cm wrist. fits perfectly under a jacket sleeve. i watch his videos frequently but what kind of watch wouldn't fit under a jacket sleeve.

GreenLantern · 28 April 2021, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by christianj

Until Patek decides to cancel AD contracts too. Do they actually have any stock at that boutique that anyone wants?

Patek doesn't have an in-house boutique network (they do have two "salons" but that's really it).

As far as TS has said many times, he has no intention of building out his own retail network.

They specialize in making watches.

Period.

llngoc · 30 April 2021, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Damn that's rough. I also heard they were doing something big in their store to showcase FP Journe.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Govberg is not a regular Journe AD. They have this hybrid AD/Boutique model where some retailers are "Espaces" -- I believe this pre-dates their Boutiques, where they wanted strong supporters of the brand to help push them forward.

This means they're literally stabbing their friends in the back.

Is this AD closure only in the US or worldwide? There seems to be conflicting message in the thread.

It would be a bummer if it is worldwide as I have just found a good AD over in Europe and planned to build a relationship with and have two incoming pieces through him in June/July. Also, will Journe still deliver on order pieces to AD during 2022.

ppfl · 30 April 2021, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by llngoc

Is this AD closure only in the US or worldwide? There seems to be conflicting message in the thread.

It would be a bummer if it is worldwide as I have just found a good AD over in Europe and planned to build a relationship with and have two incoming pieces through him in June/July. Also, will Journe still deliver on order pieces to AD during 2022.

My understanding is that this is not worldwide, but I've no clue about Europe distributorship.

llngoc · 30 April 2021, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ppfl

My understanding is that this is not worldwide, but I've no clue about Europe distributorship.

Let me ping my AD. Was a little reluctant to ask as this is probably a sensitive subject.

GreenLantern · 30 April 2021, 07:21 AM

USA only.

GreenLantern · 30 April 2021, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by llngoc

Also, will Journe still deliver on order pieces to AD during 2022.

Only your AD can advise on that as they're in touch with FP Journe leadership.

Talk to your AD.

llngoc · 30 April 2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern

USA only.

Thanks! My AD is in Europe so he had not get back to me yet. But this is such a relief.

llngoc · 1 May 2021, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by llngoc

Thanks! My AD is in Europe so he had not get back to me yet. But this is such a relief.

He also just confirmed that this is an US only change. And let's hope it stays that way.

ppfl · 1 May 2021, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by llngoc

He also just confirmed that this is an US only change. And let's hope it stays that way.

Thanks for the confirmation, but I'm afraid the writing's on the wall...

christianj · 1 May 2021, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ppfl

Thanks for the confirmation, but I'm afraid the writing's on the wall...

I would assume so as well. Phase II

llngoc · 1 May 2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by christianj

I would assume so as well. Phase II

The tone of his reply also is not very comforting. He thinks the US market is the most mature market so it goes first. And his closing words basically said for now, they are not affected and I can read the unspoken words there

kunlun · 1 May 2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by llngoc

The tone of his reply also is not very comforting. He thinks the US market is the most mature market so it goes first. And his closing words basically said for now, they are not affected and I can read the unspoken words there

How is the US a more mature market than Europe? Not that he's wrong, just

llngoc · 1 May 2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kunlun

How is the US a more mature market than Europe? Not that he's wrong, just

Not sure how he came to that conclusion but that’s his exact word. Maybe we have more flippers :-)

23 April 2021, 09:32 PM	#69
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	Fpj made 650 watches last year. I'm not sure why people think this route won't work. To me it indicates they don't have any desire to increase production and will simply increase prices from their 68k average as it stands now. Yes it sucks for govberg. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

23 April 2021, 07:59 AM	#63
ajw45 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: NYC Posts: 432	Tim has always been pretty even handed and honest about his opinion of FPJ watches. I don't see anything change in his coverage based on the latest. Regarding breguet vs FPJ, the movement arch may be more interesting in the FPJ but $ for $ you get pretty good value in the breguet. At the very least breguet will never give you stamped guilloched dial....

23 April 2021, 07:09 PM	#68
shafran "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: woodmere,ny Posts: 562	Their saving grace is that Govberg opened the new Patak salon in the Miami design district

23 April 2021, 11:04 PM	#72
ts3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Europe Posts: 3,262	No problem from my perspective. They didn't have an AD in my country anyway, which is neither small nor poor. The nearest retail outlet has always been across the border in Switzerland.

30 April 2021, 07:21 AM	#82
GreenLantern "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Montana Posts: 3,223	USA only.

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