ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
26 October 2008, 12:14 AM | #61 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Ryan
Location: England
Watch: AP ROC
Posts: 1,462
|
Quote:
The Royal Oaks have small dials as well though as their bezel and casing take up a lot of the diameter. Just doing a quick check on my digi verniers and the 40mm Sub LV has a dial diameter of around 28mm, the crystal is 30mm in diameter but the engraved ring under the glass takes up around 1mm either side. The Panerai has a crystal that is 32.7mm and the dial is the full size of the crystal, so that's 4mm difference in the size of dial on a 40mm PAM and a 40mm Rolex Sport.
__________________
PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT
|
|
26 October 2008, 12:22 AM | #62 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Ryan
Location: England
Watch: AP ROC
Posts: 1,462
|
Quote:
I would add that if you want to get rid of the ROO then drop me a PM and i'll try to find a good home for it
__________________
PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT
|
|
26 October 2008, 12:27 AM | #63 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: Tony
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
Watch: 116680 & 116622
Posts: 3,953
|
I don't understand your point. What's the significance of the Rolex being on the right...?
You also stated previously: "In a table shot the Rollies are always on the fringes, with the PAMs taking centre stage." In my pic the YM is at a Panerai gathering, so of course the Pam's are going to be placed together, unless someone will try & be different by mixing the watches up a bit.
__________________
"...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org |
26 October 2008, 12:28 AM | #64 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: Tony
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
Watch: 116680 & 116622
Posts: 3,953
|
__________________
"...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org |
26 October 2008, 12:30 AM | #65 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Ryan
Location: England
Watch: AP ROC
Posts: 1,462
|
__________________
PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT
|
26 October 2008, 12:33 AM | #66 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: Tony
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
Watch: 116680 & 116622
Posts: 3,953
|
__________________
"...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org |
26 October 2008, 12:40 AM | #67 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 608
|
My personal observation from my collection which consists of PAMs and several rollies including two ss Daytonas is the rollies stay in the case period. After wearing the PAMs they just appear out of place and small. Just my preferences.
|
26 October 2008, 01:15 AM | #68 |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
|
26 October 2008, 01:20 AM | #69 |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
Honestly Panerai growing more and more on me.
What do you think Guys, should I trade my Sub LV & ND COSC with 232 or not? Good deal or not? |
26 October 2008, 01:26 AM | #70 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Real Name: Mike
Watch: All things Patek
Posts: 515
|
Fantastic deal! the 232 will never be produced again and will continue to increase in value!
__________________
"There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't" Warren Buffett |
26 October 2008, 01:33 AM | #71 |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
|
26 October 2008, 01:34 AM | #72 |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
If I do that, no more Rolex left in my collection.
|
26 October 2008, 02:05 AM | #73 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Ryan
Location: England
Watch: AP ROC
Posts: 1,462
|
Don't do it or try to sell another watch, i've found to much cost that you cannot, ever, ever, ever let yourself get down to zero Rolexes, ADs can smell when you have no rolexes in your collection and manipulate you until your bank is empty!
__________________
PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT
|
26 October 2008, 02:14 AM | #74 |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
|
26 October 2008, 02:17 AM | #75 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Real Name: Ryan
Location: England
Watch: AP ROC
Posts: 1,462
|
They'll open up a new line of credit just for the Rolexless
__________________
PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT
|
26 October 2008, 02:58 AM | #76 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Real Name: Chris
Location: .
Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs
Posts: 12,609
|
|
26 October 2008, 03:01 AM | #77 |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
|
26 October 2008, 03:10 AM | #78 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Real Name: Chris
Location: .
Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs
Posts: 12,609
|
|
26 October 2008, 11:50 AM | #79 |
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Real Name: Chad
Location: Around the world
Watch: Panerai 233
Posts: 4,204
|
You know, as briefly mentioned in post above, Panerai really does not have a history of it's own until the 1990s. And Panerai owns much of it's success to Sly, along with Reichmont. The original Panerais were actually more Rolex than Panerai. Rolex made cases, Rolex made movements. So, most of Panerai's military history is actually Rolex history. One could even go as far as to say, that Panerais of today, except for the models with the in-house movements, are actually just cheap replicas of the original Rolex designed, manufactured, and Rolex movement Panerais of the 1930, 40s, and 50s.
So one could say correctly, that Panerai grew from Rolex and Rolex is the parent of Panerai. Very close connection between Rolex and Panerai. Now that is a Panerai I would like to see again! New standard issue Panerais with Rolex movements! And if I had the funds, I would love to get a model 21. !! |
26 October 2008, 11:53 AM | #80 |
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Real Name: Chad
Location: Around the world
Watch: Panerai 233
Posts: 4,204
|
TR, trading the Sub LV and Sub No Date for a 232 would not be a good deal at all. I think in the future you will see the ND COSC Sub increase in value. And the current market value of the Sub LV and Sub ND exceeds the current market value of a 232 by several thousand dollars USA. Plus, as much as the 232 is a rally nice looking watch, the Subs are much more rugged. IMHO the Sub No-Date COSC rated watch is probably one fo the toughest dive watches out there these days. A real classic.
|
26 October 2008, 01:37 PM | #81 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Real Name: Chris
Location: .
Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs
Posts: 12,609
|
Quote:
Even in this American housing credit bubble induced worldwide financial and economic recession,a PAM 21 is going to need a lot of funds. Have you sold your PAMs yet ? |
|
26 October 2008, 03:38 PM | #82 | ||
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
Quote:
Quote:
I still consider that. |
||
26 October 2008, 11:26 PM | #83 |
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Real Name: Chad
Location: Around the world
Watch: Panerai 233
Posts: 4,204
|
No, have not sold my Panerais off yet, but several are posted for sale. Currently have 4 Panerai. Need to sell off 2-3 of them, and keep only 1-2, to get funds for Graduate School. For my collection now, after selling the Panerai, will have 1 Panerai, 1 Blancpain, 1 Glashutte, and 1 IWC. All 44mm, except the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms which is 45mm, but wears like a 44.
|
26 October 2008, 11:31 PM | #84 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Real Name: Tony
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
Watch: 116680 & 116622
Posts: 3,953
|
Quote:
__________________
"...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org |
|
26 October 2008, 11:58 PM | #85 |
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Real Name: Chad
Location: Around the world
Watch: Panerai 233
Posts: 4,204
|
Well, let me clarify, what I did mean by "cheap" replicas does not mean that Panerais are not solid, good quality and fine looking watches (I have several), but that instead of a expensive Rolex movement inside or a In-house movement, they use a inexpensive (cheap) Unitas movement. So IMHO this makes it more of a re-creation or replica, though still made by the name Panerai (though the company is basically brand new from the 90s. In actuality, most of the old Panerai roots if you trace the Tree, go to Anomino watches. Which is where the Panerai designers, managers and watchmakers of Panerai split off when Panerai became Post-V and moved to Switzerland) Now Unitas movement do have some advantages, in that since it is such a "common" movement, most any watchmaker can fix. But, I would like to see Panerai switch out from using any Unitas movement, and go instead with all in house movement, or JLC or IWC movement in their watches. Now for around the same price as a 232(or a little more), one can get a 242 Radiomir. Much better bang for the buck, as this Radiomir has a Superb JLC movement inside. ANd do not tell me Panerai could not do that at a fraction of the price of their current in-house line up. JLC and IWC both make some outstanding superb watches, with their rugged in house movement, and charge around the same price as Panerai Base or Contempory models that have Unitas or ETA movements. Being that IWC, JLC, Panerai (along with Cartier and a few others) are all owned by Richemont should be an easy fix. Matter of fact, I will be talking with Mr Rupert in a couple of weeks, so might mention this idea to him. Hint, hint.
Now if you really want to talk insane, it is people paying $50K for a 201A made in 1994! Hardly a vintage watch. And no different than a current 111 or 112, other than the older one has a painted tritium dial that does not even glow anymore and is flaking off. $50K for a Panerai from the 1940s, I can see that. But one with a ETA movement from 1995??!!! If I was fortunate to have one, I would sell it in a heartbeat to the fool who would pay $50K for my 1995 watch, buy a BNIB 111 or 112 and then pocket the rest of the money! Just like th enew LE 26, though a great watch, is just a 219 that is PVD coated and then cost around $4k more. I say buy a 219, send to Jack at IWW and for $500 have him PVD coat it! |
27 October 2008, 12:25 AM | #86 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 608
|
Who can say one watch is better than another? The question was simply is Panerai on par with Rolex. To me they are apple and oranges. Panerai will never produce a fraction of the quantity as Rolex therefore will never be as popular. Rolex makes great movements but does that make the watch more desirable? Panerai is putting some interesting movements in some of their watches (Minerva) and increasingly producing their own movements. I would argue that Panerai can never be like Rolex but can be more desirable and equal in quality. There currently is not a Rolex that I do not own that I wish to currently purchase. I have several PAMs on order. I am fortunate that I can purchase what I want and am not restricted. To me Panerai is more desirable and some models are as good if not better. Just my few cents.
|
27 October 2008, 12:51 AM | #87 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Real Name: Chris
Location: .
Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs
Posts: 12,609
|
"The best" is not an exact science,its just personal opinion.It cant be proven and there are so many nice brands in the world,that it would be crazy to even try and say what is really the best.What makes you "tick",is the best for you.
|
27 October 2008, 01:02 AM | #88 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Real Name: Chris
Location: .
Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs
Posts: 12,609
|
Quote:
True on the 242.I have found mine to be extremely accurate.One of the most accurate watches I have owned. The 26 ? Not too fond of that one.Personal opinion.I think pvd may just be the most impractical finish for a watch. |
|
27 October 2008, 01:23 AM | #89 | |
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex
Posts: 18,421
|
Quote:
|
|
27 October 2008, 05:17 AM | #90 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Real Name: Mike
Watch: All things Patek
Posts: 515
|
Quote:
So does this mean a $250k Patek 5004 is a cheap imitation because it uses a base Lemania movement? Does this mean the watch is a Lemania and not a Patek?
__________________
"There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't" Warren Buffett |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
*Banners
Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.