I can't believe this behaviour from a big watch seller

[rolexmonsters]

i will take a second look at the clasp with a loop but it looks good to me, and the marking 55 in the end-piece is perfect

[pawnshopkiller]

Just say your Sorry and be glad Rolex didn't buy it off of Ebay and sue you. Rolex buys even parts still in the the plastic from Ebay and scans the chip to see what parts account bought it originally and will suspend these accounts so don't be so foolish to think they won't come after a business selling Solid Gold 16618 fakes with genuine movements. Just this one action could have probably got all of your watches seized fake or not.

[greekbum]

Mods This should be a sticky

[rolexmonsters]

a sticky?

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by freefly

Are you sure?

If so, those are some of the sloppiest factory tool marks on the clasps I've ever seen:

+1, I believe this is counterfeit...

[rolexmonsters]

i pulled the listing, i am going to take a close look at it monday and determine factory or aftermarket, thanks for pointing out it may not be factory, i personally did not get a close look, i will let you guys know the verdict monday when then shop opens again!!

[Watch-My-Wrist]

It's my understanding that anything not factory is considered "fake" by Rolex. Custom dial, fake. Custom bezel/bezel insert, fake. Even changing the bracelet is considered heresy by Rolex. This is my understanding, I could be wrong. It seems to me that Rolex is very strict about protecting its product image. I can see where if this is true, Rolex would have a problem with the watch in question.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

i pulled the listing, i am going to take a close look at it monday and determine factory or aftermarket, thanks for pointing out it may not be factory, i personally did not get a close look, i will let you guys know the verdict monday when then shop opens again!!

All of those "18k" bracelets look a bit suspect to me, so you might consider pulling the other two as well (until you get them 100% authenticated). Just my $0.02.

[rolexmonsters]

the other 2 i personally got to check out especially my WG one, very closely and they are 100% orig. the third one i am going to take a look at monday if its aftermarket i am just going to melt it. and as far as watch-my-wrist, rolex is very big on claiming an aftermarket part to be fake, they do their best to protect the image of the watch and ADs go as far as telling people with an aftermarket part that their watch is fake. the watch only is considered fake by them, no one else, especially if its only an aftermarket crystal bezel or dial, they are very strict but its no big deal whats so ever to buy a watch with an aftermarket part, its not fake

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

its no big deal whats so ever to buy a watch with an aftermarket part, its not fake

If it make the buyer happy I agree, nothing wrong at all. However, if the aftermarket parts have a Rolex trademark on them, that item/s is then counterfeit and therefore illegal.

Rolex vigorously protect their trademark, they have a quality product and do not want it or their image and reputation to be watered down with cheap counterfeits.

When Rolex service a watch they then offer a two year warranty from the date of service. This is one reason why they will not touch a watch that has non Rolex parts fitted because they can not warrant something they have not produced. The other reason, and you hit the nail on the head here

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

they do their best to protect the image of the watch

[rolexmonsters]

Agreed

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

my president bracelets are factory :)

That's got to be one of the nastiest factory bracelets I've ever seen.

For an "Honest and respected" dealer to make such a statement about a clear fake is absurd.

[MonBK]

I took the liberty to enlarge the picture.

See for yourself, even my wife can tell

[rolexmonsters]

thank you for taking that liberty, the bracelet does look sloppy when its magnified, i am going to melt it down, thanks for pointing it out, and everyone makes a mistake MonBK if i wasnt honest i would just slap it back on my site!!

[freefly]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

the other 2 i personally got to check out especially my WG one, very closely and they are 100% orig. the third one i am going to take a look at monday if its aftermarket i am just going to melt it.

The one I originally pointed out (and MonBK confirmed) is clearly fake. So, your "100% orig." claim for the additional two bracelets listed is naturally suspect. In fact, your other YG President bracelet is also raising a few red flags:

1. No woman/dog head hallmark.
2. Unfamiliar with "F18000" clasp code.
3. Clasp engravings look a bit sloppy (though not as bad as the first one).

[freefly]

Here is some good info on the subject to check out (and to see what a known-genuine 8385 looks like):

http://nickhacko.blogspot.com/2009/0...e-or-real.html

[rolexmonsters]

wow that was some good stuff on those bracelets! i will re-check the other YG one but i am positive about the white. im sure you guys can undertsand it can be hard to tell with some bracelets even for the pros ;)

[Runnin' Rebel]

A lot of back peddling going on now

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by freefly

The one I originally pointed out (and MonBK confirmed) is clearly fake. So, your "100% orig." claim for the additional two bracelets listed is naturally suspect. In fact, your other YG President bracelet is also raising a few red flags:

1. No woman/dog head hallmark.
2. Unfamiliar with "F18000" clasp code.
3. Clasp engravings look a bit sloppy (though not as bad as the first one).

This one raises more then a few flags as well.

I think it's pretty clear (at least for me) where not to buy.

[expensivetaste]

Just my two cents....and please be CLEAR, I am NOT taking sides, just confused as to a difference.....if you bought a 1970 cutlass 442 on eBay and it was described clearly as having a chevy 454 engine it is still a 1972 cutlass 442 not a chevy. This stuff happens in auto sales everyday all the time and it is not an issue. So could someone, without jumping my case about taking sides, because I surely am not. I am looking to clarify why this is such a big ordeal. Thanks guys I appreciate any feedback.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

Just my two cents....and please be CLEAR, I am NOT taking sides, just confused as to a difference.....if you bought a 1970 cutlass 442 on eBay and it was described clearly as having a chevy 454 engine it is still a 1972 cutlass 442 not a chevy. This stuff happens in auto sales everyday all the time and it is not an issue. So could someone, without jumping my case about taking sides, because I surely am not. I am looking to clarify why this is such a big ordeal. Thanks guys I appreciate any feedback.

I'd be happy to answer your question.

If you bought a 1970 Cutlass 442 with a Chevy 454 engine and received a fiberglass kit car that looked like a Cutlass 442 with all the badges and #'s on it you got screwed big time.

[Earl Camembert]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

hello guys, i am seller global-time-hbg, the watch was not fake!! it had a 3135 movement and it was disclosed properly i was not trying to hide any of the aftermarket parts. as far as you guys calling me a clown its not appreciated so please keep the immature comments to yourself, i am an honest dealer trying to make an honest living, i am a reputable dealer and thanks to everyone reporting me over the watch a listing limitation was put on my account where i am only aloud to list 15 watches a month for 6 months, so in other words you guys killed my business over nonsense, thank you for that. next time before blasting an honest seller think about the negative impacts on their end.

Clown is an endearing term I like to use; Rolex would call you a fraud and thief and would have you jailed for copyright infringement.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

i will re-check the other YG one but i am positive about the white.

You are positive about the white gold bracelet, eh? Well, I just looked at it again, and the bracelet code on the clasp is upside down! LOL. So, it would appear that my initial suspicions are confirmed that ALL of your "President" bracelets are counterfeit.

[crowncollection]

Anyone In the rolex business should know these basic facts about how to tell an original bracelet, I cannot understand or believe some of these responses from a large seller and self proclaimed pro ???? If you really know so little should you be in the business and calling yourself a pro ???

[RolexWatcher]

Still there

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-AUTHENTI...item3f0d2b8922

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Authenti...item3f0d2b9013

[Earl Camembert]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

Anyone In the rolex business should know these basic facts about how to tell an original bracelet, I cannot understand or believe some of these responses from a large seller and self proclaimed pro ???? If you really know so little should you be in the business and calling yourself a pro ???

FleeBay is not concerned with "pro', only with hustling a buck. "Power Seller" FleeBay dung in my eyes.

Point of order; only in high end crappy; cheep crappy is a bargain.

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Earl Camembert

FleeBay is not concerned with "pro', only with hustling a buck. "Power Seller" FleeBay dung in my eyes.

Point of order; only in high end crappy; cheep crappy is a bargain.

I am not sure what occurring here........

Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

Still there

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-AUTHENTI...item3f0d2b8922

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Authenti...item3f0d2b9013

they are, and this may take a little time, but we will see what we can do....

[cedargrove]

Originally Posted by rolexmonsters

wow that was some good stuff on those bracelets! i will re-check the other YG one but i am positive about the white. im sure you guys can undertsand it can be hard to tell with some bracelets even for the pros ;)

There are a lot of experts on this thread, but you are not one of them. For me this casts doubt on everything you sell. Either you know this stuff is sh!t and sell it anyway, or you simply don't know how to tell the good from the bad. Either way, who can trust any of your listings.

[pawnshopkiller]

I doubt he gets this many fake president bracelets by accident.

[pawnshopkiller]

Connections in Hong Kong I bet.