Journe or lange

[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by llngoc

We are strap twins. That’s the one I just put onto my RQ.

Hopefully to haul me over until an TV shows up.

totally naive Q. What's TV?

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by danicasi2002

totally naive Q. What's TV?

It is for Tourbillion Vertical from FPJ

[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by llngoc

It is for Tourbillion Vertical from FPJ

wow. I see. awesome piece!!

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by danicasi2002

wow. I see. awesome piece!!

Agreed. And fingers crossed that it can become a reality

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by lovetherolex

Edit: an FPJ promotional video from 7 years ago, what does that prove? There are collectors who bought the watches over 2 decades ago, so what? Big discounts and still lost on them when sold. Now go look back at videos to see how many years long Watchbox has been hyping FPJ and controlling the secondhand market in pricing and inventory. Please report back when you find this buildup and control moves the prices and built the hype. Even those within FPJ don’t deny that, but you do?

The simplistic “Instagram hype” line regurgitated all over the Internet doesn’t apply here without missing the actual facts. If you believe this happened to FPJ over organic Instagram hype I have a bridge to sell you.

You seem angry, and I'm not interested in your bridge, nor your narrative. FPJ is not a "hype" brand, he wins top awards for his watches. These awards are nothing to do with Watchbox.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by mchen42

Hahaha, found a brother. Let’s take a picture when we meet. Hopefully, at that time, I could get what I want.


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Someone else on this forum with a CO inspired me to get it after I saw the picture. And it turns out just right for me.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Someone else on this forum with a CO inspired me to get it after I saw the picture. And it turns out just right for me.

The CO is my ultimate grail, and I'm tempted to sell my 5712/1A to get one. Maybe one day.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by llngoc

It is for Tourbillion Vertical from FPJ

Arguably the most important piece for the brand? Historically speaking, the TV is what started it all for FPJ and I would consider it the height of Journe ownership.

What an amazing piece to get. When are you expecting it?

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Arguably the most important piece for the brand? Historically speaking, the TV is what started it all for FPJ and I would consider it the height of Journe ownership.

What an amazing piece to get. When are you expecting it?

I need my application to be approved first.

Fingers crossed

[Justindo]

I'm a bit surprised that so many would take a CS over an 1815 Chronograph. I've liked Lange since they first re-emerged and Journe from birth but one really should be comparing an 1815 Up Down to the Journe CS. I concede that the Journe has a more attractive case and dial but Lange (and I'm talking about the Up Down here) has far superior movement finishing, although it may not seem as attractive with the three quarter plate. Let's call this one a draw and a matter of preference.

However, now that Journe prices and waitlists, like Rolex, have become ridiculous, the idea that one would take a CS, a watch that I've thought about getting, over an 1815 Chronograph, a watch that I had to have and, likely, the finest chronograph ever made, as well as being a bargain at retail, is insane.

[mchen42]

Originally Posted by Justindo

I'm a bit surprised that so many would take a CS over an 1815 Chronograph. I've liked Lange since they first re-emerged and Journe from birth but one really should be comparing an 1815 Up Down to the Journe CS. I concede that the Journe has a more attractive case and dial but Lange (and I'm talking about the Up Down here) has far superior movement finishing, although it may not seem as attractive with the three quarter plate. Let's call this one a draw and a matter of preference.

However, now that Journe prices and waitlists, like Rolex, have become ridiculous, the idea that one would take a CS, a watch that I've thought about getting, over an 1815 Chronograph, a watch that I had to have and, likely, the finest chronograph ever made, as well as being a bargain at retail, is insane.

First of all, I do like lange. The zeitwerk is one of my favorite model. Then, the focus of Journe will never be the very very fine finishing. Their focus is the complicated function and the design of movement.

Well, I don’t agreed with that lange has “far” superior movement finishing. Well, they may do a lot of work on the datograph and zeitwerk but for 1815, IMHO, they are lazy. See the photos for 1815. They will not finish all of the movement if we can not see it.




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[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Someone else on this forum with a CO inspired me to get it after I saw the picture. And it turns out just right for me.

Awesome if you can share some photos of your CO. Thanks

[lovetherolex]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

You seem angry, and I'm not interested in your bridge, nor your narrative. FPJ is not a "hype" brand, he wins top awards for his watches. These awards are nothing to do with Watchbox.

Why do you say that? Someone that has more information than you and tells the truth makes them angry? I own and have owned Journe, I’m just honest about it.

Is 1000% is a hype brand. The watches were sitting even in 2020 and were sitting forever before that. Hugely discounted. Tough sells. Until Watchbox came along. What do awards have to do with that? Why do are these facts objectionable to you? Because you bought into the hype?

There is no narrative as you put it. Just facts.

https://watchesbysjx.com/2021/08/wat...e-bethune.html

In contrast to many of its peers who have long focused on more mainstream names, Watchbox has long been active in selling pre-owned timepieces from independent watchmakers. Notably, Watchbox became a market maker for F.P. Journe starting about five year ago by actively buying and selling the brand’s watches.

https://storage.googleapis.com/pubza...ci_6994271.jpg An earlier version of the article by SJX.

Read between the lines. This is the diplomatic wording. Everyone in the industry knows it’s true because they were there and deep enough in it. Dollars to doughnuts you got in after the hype and don’t want to feel taken for a ride. That’s understandable. In fact most if not all the people who find these facts objectionable are in the same boat. The replies are there. It was obvious llngoc bought one more recently before he said it, just by his reaction.

OP asked, I answered like everyone else, and gave context. So let’s not fool ourselves or try to shut down discussion. You should be happy someone is giving you the straight dope instead of blowing smoke up your you know what.

At the next for the day, it doesn’t matter what you’re interested in, you can’t rewrite facts or history by putting your head in the sand. Educate yourself. And if you don’t want to, others do.

[ajw45]

1815 boutique over the fpj all day for me. Agree that FPJ is a manufactured hype brand but that doesn't mean they make bad watches, just that prices include a hype tax.

[shafran]

I know the post has gone ou into tangents, but since I am the op, if any one is interested, I went with a journe al2.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by shafran

I know the post has gone ou into tangents, but since I am the op, if any one is interested, I went with a journe al2.

Congrats post up some pics and ignore the noise.

[joli160]

Huge congrats, enjoy it

[Patton250]

FPJ is an excellent example of what we’ve talked about many times on this forum and that is the generalized hype by certain grey dealers to cause a particular brand/model to increase in value in a short period time. In this case the hype was led by Govberg and they did a fantastic job. It worked. It took about 3-4 years but here we are. Just look at all the new FPJ “enthusiast”. These things crack me up.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by lovetherolex

Why do you say that? Someone that has more information than you and tells the truth makes them angry? I own and have owned Journe, I’m just honest about it.

Is 1000% is a hype brand. The watches were sitting even in 2020 and were sitting forever before that. Hugely discounted. Tough sells. Until Watchbox came along. What do awards have to do with that? Why do are these facts objectionable to you? Because you bought into the hype?

There is no narrative as you put it. Just facts.

Look at the seven GPHG gold medals. They were not awarded by Watchbox.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by shafran

I know the post has gone ou into tangents, but since I am the op, if any one is interested, I went with a journe al2.

Congrats, and good health to wear it.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by shafran

I know the post has gone ou into tangents, but since I am the op, if any one is interested, I went with a journe al2.

Congratulations. I own both Lange and Journe. Both great watches but different. I am sure you will eventually circle back to a Lange since this is a never ending rabbit hole

[ajw45]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Look at the seven GPHG gold medals. They were not awarded by Watchbox.

LOL. Tag Heuer has 9 GPHG medals and Patek only has 6. Trade all your FPJ and Patek for Tag asap.

Paiget has 10 and their resale value is toxic, Rolex has none and they are the king of resale. IOW, GPHG wins does not a market make.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by ajw45

LOL. Tag Heuer has 9 GPHG medals and Patek only has 6. Trade all your FPJ and Patek for Tag asap.

Paiget has 10 and their resale value is toxic, Rolex has none and they are the king of resale. IOW, GPHG wins does not a market make.

What's with the "LOL"?

GPHG wins are a measure of the standard of horology. It has nothing to do with "the market", which is being driven by Instagram "influencers" and watch journalism in general.

I count myself lucky to have heard of FPJ more than ten years ago, and then I found a s/h FPJ at half-retail in 2016. The only thing that's changed since 2016 is a widespread awareness of the brand, driven by videos like the one below, and not by retailers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fmjnKGZkY

[llngoc]

I am adding Journe to politics and religion to the list of forbidden subjects at the dinner table now.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by llngoc

I am adding Journe to politics and religion to the forbidden subjects at the dinner table now.

The level of negativity is phenomenal: there's plenty of brands I'm not fond of, but I'm not going to waste my time trashing them online.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

The level of negativity is phenomenal: there's plenty of brands I'm not fond of, but I'm not going to waste my time trashing them online.

[shafran]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Congratulations. I own both Lange and Journe. Both great watches but different. I am sure you will eventually circle back to a Lange since this is a never ending rabbit hole

I actually have a datograph perpetual.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by shafran

I actually have a datograph perpetual.

Interesting. What makes you want to get a 1815 Chronograph when you have a Datograph perpetual?

I am interested because I was at one point trying to decide between a Datograph Perpetual, Datograph and a 1815 chronograph. The 1815 got dropped early on as the one I really want is the boutique edition with the blue numerals but it was not obtainable for me.

So it will be interesting to hear from someone who’s already through this experience.

In this case, I would say you probably made the best choice since you already have a Lange (probably one of the best one too). Now you get to experience a Journe.

[thekman]

Between these two, the 1815 chrono.


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[rolexpatek363]

At the risk of labouring my point, here is a Hodinkee film from 2015, a time when everyone wanted a Rolex Daytona. How times change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6WMenS141A