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29 July 2019, 05:26 PM | #91 | |
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Ok which part is genuine? The machined case? The back-cover? The bracelet? The clasp? A "franken" to this state is a fake. Send that to RSC and see what comes back. Most likely nothing. |
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29 July 2019, 05:48 PM | #92 | |
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Every part of the watch is genuine apart from the bezel insert and more than likely the gmt hand. Again showing your lack of knowledge. Send it to RSC and they’ll tell you the bezel insert and possibly the GMT hand are fake, and they’ll offer to put it back to original with a black bezel insert and green GMT hand. |
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29 July 2019, 08:23 PM | #93 | |
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I’m puzzled - did you confuse me with someone else? My comment was simply supporting Adam’s well-reasoned questions. As for my creation of posts, I’ve asked one question on an Omega caseback engraving on a watch I was having restored in the past 3 years. Out of the two dozen or so other threads started by me in that timeframe I bought 2 watches and left good feedback for those sellers 2 sellers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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30 July 2019, 01:10 AM | #94 |
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Did his grandfather give it to him? That's the key.
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30 July 2019, 01:17 AM | #95 | |
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Apologies! Wasn’t for you. It was the post above yours and i screwed it up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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30 July 2019, 01:21 AM | #96 | |
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30 July 2019, 01:28 AM | #97 | |
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None of my call-outs were wrong, so that wasn’t nonsense. Seems like you have a vested interest in this discussion. You sure you weren’t the guy who handed the watch to @OP? |
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30 July 2019, 01:48 AM | #98 | |
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I have no ‘vested interest’ in the watch. And to suggest I ‘handed’ it to him is frankly ridiculous. I just don’t think it’s fair to the OP when people with little to no knowledge of authenticating watches start throwing their wrong opinions around as facts. This isn’t just aimed at you. Being told your watch is fake isn’t a nice feeling I imagine. I really hope the OP doesn’t leave this thread without updating on the outcome of the AD inspection. It will show I do actually know what I’m talking about. |
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30 July 2019, 03:34 AM | #99 |
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About half the posts on here are trolls
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30 July 2019, 04:25 AM | #100 |
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Where are the internal movement pics??? Its tomorrow please MrN??? Thanks.
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30 July 2019, 06:07 AM | #101 | |
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Although I am sure movement is going to be genuine, I personally believe that dial/case and bracelet will be fake. We all agree bezel is Adam
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30 July 2019, 06:55 AM | #102 |
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Quite an entertaining thread, but IBTL!
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moving the crown forward, what's the direction that the hands moves?
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30 July 2019, 07:04 AM | #104 | |
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My statement still stands. I’ll make sure not to rely on you for expertise. I seem to recall a rule about not discussing fakes in detail. Nothing to be offended by. To each their own opinion.
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30 July 2019, 07:31 AM | #105 |
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30 July 2019, 08:07 AM | #106 |
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Quick update: went to my AD and they won’t open it or touch it. I’m not sure if this it normal but they sent me to RSC. I’ll keep you posted!
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30 July 2019, 08:09 AM | #107 |
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Sounds ominous.
But pretty sure you have a fake with genuine Rolex movement A
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30 July 2019, 08:18 AM | #108 |
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looks genuine watch that was frankened by using aftermarket bezel and aftermarket hand.
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31 July 2019, 01:55 AM | #109 |
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Although I don’t necessarily disagree with you given there sand blasted clasp ( which means pre 2016), the rehaut appears completely off center. Also, the AR costing on the date window appears to reflect correct sapphire crystal so assuming the movement pans out I think this was just a refurb LN that maybe was not put together well after it was taken apart to replace the GmT hand and make any other repairs we may not even be aware of. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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No fake GMT case has ever got those dark double line engraved rehaut engravings right. I’m certain it’s a genuine 116710ln. If it’s not an M serial it’s a very late Z. EDIT: Just had another look at the pictures. You’re definitely right, the movement/dial was refitted slightly off when it was recased. |
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I wouldn't be messing with MrN... his cars, homes, yachts, watches etc are on a different level I don't doubt the poker game purchase
Hopefully it's just been, poorly, modded. The only thing I notice that hasn't been pointed out is the crown at 12 on the rehaut isn't centered, but that doesn't necessarily mean the case is wrong... Keep us in the loop with RSC
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Is that the Beverly Hills RSC? I had not seen a pic of it before - plenty of other RSC pics but not the BH RSC. Good luck on their assessment. Hopefully they will shoot pics of the movement inside if it’s genuine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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31 July 2019, 08:55 AM | #114 | |
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It is. Staff are super friendly and knowledgeable. |
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31 July 2019, 09:57 PM | #115 |
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Someone had a 116710, and when the Batman craze came out decided to "convert" it to a Batman using cheap fake bezel and blue GMT hand. Sold it posing it as a batman and probaly made $5K profit.
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1 August 2019, 02:33 AM | #117 |
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I guess the bottom line, whether fake or Franken, who here would love to jump all over this and buy it from the OP?
.....and if the likely answer is “no”, then does it really matter which one it is of the two?
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What ever came of this, OP?
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18 August 2019, 10:32 AM | #119 |
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Watch looks legit to me, although the bezel is clearly aftermarket fake and suggest the GMT hand has been replaced.
Watch was born as an LN I would guess but been bastardised into a BLNR by a rubbish bezel lookey-likey and re-painted GMT hand. EDIT: Actually the rehaut looks off as well and the crown on the clasp maybe not as defined as it should be. It’s likely all fake, but the dial looks ok for a LN Dial? I’m perplexed. Can’t wait to hear the outcome of this. MrN, please keep us posted. |
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Yes it is. Been there before myself. Free parking in the heart of BH. Nice of them. They have a nice large coffee table book to the right you can look through with Rolex history movements bezels etc. nothing else really that special tbh. The pic shows most of the room. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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