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27 October 2008, 11:10 AM | #91 |
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If the Patek 5004 used to have a Patek in house movement or a superb engineered movement inside, then was discontinued, and then reproduced with a inexpensive movement inside, then YES.
If they developed the watch, and used a high quality movement from another manufactuer that they modified, then NO. I never said Panerais are fakes, what I said was that many Panerais are reproductions of originals, but now use Cheaper Unitas movement. Panerais like the 242 and 190 that were unique in their design and Panerai originals that use high end superb movements from JLC are not cheap recreations, but Panerai originals and shows Panerai being smart and using a dang good movement. (I also like the Vacheron OVerseas with it's modified JLC 889 Caliber movement!) |
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Yep, Fifty Fathoms. Now there is a watch that you do not want to look at TR! Or you will sell your Subs and Panerais both to buy! LOL The watch the Sub was designed after. And the new FF with it's 45mm size, super lumination, sapphire bezel, in house 5 day auto movement and anti-magnetic case, and sail cloth strap is a very impressive watch. Plus, the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms probably has the most Military History out of any Dive watch out there, plus many Oceanic expeditions under it's belt!
But, again, I say be content with your 2 subs, your Rolex your Father gave you (the one I would never ever sell) and your 2 Panerais. More than you ever could need. Look at how fortunate you are to just have those. Most people in your country make less in a year than what one of those watches cost. Now go out and get those watches scratched up and dinged up on some adventures. All the Panerais and Rolex watches you have well stand up well to abuse, and look even better with some scrathes! The watches are made for diving, trekking, and exploring! |
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In the same bracket? Depends upon how wide the brackets are. Some people put Rolex in the highest bracket possible, if that is the case then Panerai is not in the same bracket. Some people say that Patek, AP, and others are above rolex in a bracket alone, with Rolex in the second highest tier. I personally would say that Rolex is not in the highest tier, but they are above the Panerai, Breitling, and Omega bracket. It's as if Rolex is in a class all by itself because it bridges the gap of being of the highest quality and still making 1,000,000 watches a year.
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In the same bracket? Depends upon how wide the brackets are. Some people put Rolex in the highest bracket possible, if that is the case then Panerai is not in the same bracket. Some people say that Patek, AP, and others are above rolex in a bracket alone, with Rolex in the second highest tier. I personally would say that Rolex is not in the highest tier, but they are above the Panerai, Breitling, and Omega bracket. It's as if Rolex is in a class all by itself because it bridges the gap of being of the highest quality and still making 1,000,000 watches a year.
Too broad a statement. I consider certain PAMs to be on par with Patek and AP. The only issue I have is the use of some of the cheaper movements. The 233, 270, 289 etc are some of my favorites compared to any brand and I would be hard pressed to find a watch I like better than Ferrari 024 period. I am not knocking rolex its just appears they are making watches for the masses which they do better than anyone else. Panerai, Patek, AP produce much fewer watches where the demand is higher than production. |
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Agreed. Many PAMs are very difficult to get - IMO - much more so than Rolex. To be honest, I have been able to obtain a few of the Rolex (Grails) in a fraction of the time it would take to get even one of the "grail" PAM's - also, the PAM's cost more.
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As i said, until Panerai make their in-house movements more available through the range they're just not doing the whole package like Rolex, this year i went out to get a 40mm Chrono, i looked at the 310 and it just wasn't what i expect, 5 years ago they were putting out 40mm chronos with the El Primero movement, display caseback, 3 sub dials and date, now they've got twin sub dials, no titanium casing, no date and a valjoux movement.
Panerai really have to start working on continuous improvement, not thinking they can sell a watch just because it looks like a panerai, it has to be the entire package otherwise panerai might lose a lot of its customers.
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Panerai still makes several 3 dial chronos with date, 250, 251, and the 236. The whole package like Rolex? chrono with date? titanium? display back? Please tell me which Rolex has these features.
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I'm on about Panerai, not really too bothered about Rolex as they have one chrono and for me it's flawed without the date, but it has been improved on every update, the movement has been created and tweaked, the bracelet has been altered and other areas have been given minor tweaks, but Panerai have for me just brought out a 40mm chrono because people asked them too, and it really is a half hearted attempt, if Panerai want to be up there with Rolex they need continuous improvement and innovation, you don't stop and you certainly don't go backwards.
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Yeah, but the prices of those in-house movement watches are up there with some of the serious big hitters, the majority of the Panerai range still uses ETA movements and are priced the same or higher than the Rolex model they're up against. Now i love Panerai, but i do think they need to start moving those movements into watches through the range, otherwise they're going to turn into another Hublot.
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[QUOTE=argee1977;825869]I'm on about Panerai, not really too bothered about Rolex as they have one chrono and for me it's flawed without the date, but it has been improved on every update, the movement has been created and tweaked, the bracelet has been altered and other areas have been given minor tweaks, but Panerai have for me just brought out a 40mm chrono because people asked them too, and it really is a half hearted attempt, if Panerai want to be up there with Rolex they need continuous improvement and innovation, you don't stop and you certainly don't go backwards.
I fail to follow your argument and conclusion. Panerai is continually improving their watches by providing new movements such as minerva movements and providing new in house movements. Just because they do not offer a 40mm chronograph at this time does not translate to going backwards. They are actually proceding forward and producing more expensive watches with better movements. They simply do not have the range and volume as Rolex. They have made several 40mm chronos in the past such as AMG chrono which are appealing. To me rolex has actually been lacking in new inovative products. Hopefully next year will be different. |
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Ever since I bought my first Pannnie I always wanted other models. I have a 140 & a 104 and wear them more than my Rollies. The only other Rolex I will buy is the MG GV but for now I'm trying to save up for a 270, fell in love with it as soon as I seen it. I probably will never get to buy one but that is the next watch I buy besides the GV
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Had one on my wrist yesterday, lovely watch but just not right on my wrist, the 1950s case didn't suit me at all, i was going to get a 233 but it's back to the drawing board.
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That one-eared monster? In the same league as Rolex? Traitors, the lot of you.
In crude football terms Rolex and Panerai are fighting it out at the top of the Championship League. The Premier league teams are PP, JLC, VC, AP, GP... I'd try and buy a premiership team over a Pam. To carry on the analogy - Spurs = Timex ... Sorry Martin, couldn't resist
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Panerai don't make many of these. IMO one of the engineering feats of 2008 and well worth looking at through a glass caseback.
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I think they are up there with Rolex now on the quality and pure simplicity of class but they fall behind on the pure history and vintage demand. Their 'new' marketplace is quite big now but the vintage rolex marketplace is simply enormous worldwide.
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Rolex and Panerai
To me, Rolex makes a better watch. From the metal used to the movement, Rolex wins out.
I have both brands and still much prefer Rolex. |
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Directioneng, I agree. If I had a extra $100,000 laying around I would have one of theose on my wrist. A very nice Panerai.
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P.S : I see someone wearing this tourbillon model when I was dinner with my wife in Fish & Co. Restourant Jakarta. An Arabian Gentleman. I believe this Guy is very very RICH!!!
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Ditto. I confess I don't know a lot about them, but to they seem to me to be a high-end case maker, taking advantage of the large case market. I do know there were/are model(s) that sported Rolex movements, but I don't what those models were. Clearly, I don't know what I am talking about when it comes to Pams, so I am wide open to being enlightened.
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rolex good, panerai nice.
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Wow, Eddie, what a beautiful watch!
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I think rolex classy I think panerai big. some panerai's are cheesy and some are nice but all rolexes are nice. both watches hold their resale value and are at the top right now for the price point.everyone knows what a rolex is some people know what a panerai is at least in the states
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I LOVE Both.
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