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3 November 2019, 05:57 AM | #91 | |
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I still advocate using credit card companies, but I did a lot of due diligence to see which ones are better than others (for business purposes).
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4 November 2019, 01:36 AM | #92 |
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That must have been 1 of the longest 36 hours of your life! I'm glad you're back to where you were financially. All the best for your next purchase & hopefully it works well for you!
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4 November 2019, 01:37 AM | #93 |
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Great news!
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4 November 2019, 02:11 AM | #94 | |
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4 November 2019, 05:28 AM | #95 |
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Pleased it's sorted..this should be a lesson for all
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4 November 2019, 05:53 AM | #96 | |
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I’ve used Amex with no problems ever. Now I wish to get something clear hear, almost all credit card companies will start to question disputes if you got a ton of them. I may have a dispute once every 2-3 years and only as a last resort. A majority of times I get them solved on the sales side. Many people now a days will just immediately dispute a transaction instead of contacting the seller and trying to get it resolved that way. As others have said, it’s about proper documentation and procedure. If you use PayPal, make sure it’s a commercial transaction and not a personal one. Make sure you have receipts/invoices and tracking numbers. I honestly will never use PayPal for a purchase without going the legit route. Never wire, western union, bitcoin, etc unless you’re in person and taking delivery at that moment. Make sure you ALWAYS GET a receipt even if it’s hand written along with a picture of the guys drivers license as he or she can easily call the police (especially if it’s a crypto transaction as it’s not traceable) and day it was stolen. The key is documentation. I even do this if I am buying a used car. I actually take it a step forward and record the licensed owner signing the paperwork (had a guy claim to dmv that he never sold the car and it was stolen along with title and his signature was a fake, the video saved a loss of 15k). So document document document, if the seller is being weird about it, turn around and walk away. 99% of the time you’ll probably never have to use it but that 1 time out of 100 you’ll be glad you had it. My advice to everyone, just do the transaction in person. If you’re going to spend 20-25k on a watch, most (if you are in the US or canada) can afford to pay the extra 1k max in travel expense to pickup the watch. I’ve literally flown across country for purchase as it’s easier and a million times safer then wiring money. In this day and age there is so many ways to commit fraud. Shoot I have a car for sale on cL and 95% of calls texts and emails are some fraud or another. At the end it’s about safe dealing. There are legit grey sellers on here but in my opinion I would still fly out to pickup a 20k watch from even the most legit grey on here. Just piece of mind. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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4 November 2019, 02:36 PM | #97 |
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Sorry to hear about this. I hope you get your money back.
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7 November 2019, 04:44 AM | #98 |
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This guy is at it again - Xamy is the new name and below is the post. Watch out guys! I will post a separate thread as well. I also contacted a moderator regarding it but haven't heard back. Most likely they'll have him do a stop check and post the watch with time set, but they did this before with a Daytona and so he obviously has the watches in his possession...or someone he's working with does. I'd be curious to see if someone here who is more tuned in to how this is done could pull the location info from the photo's through the metadata? Not sure if it's possible...
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7 November 2019, 04:46 AM | #99 |
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I also found out through my bank and Wells Fargo that the only saving grace with regards to my money being returned is that he gave me the wrong beneficiary address and therefore Wells Fargo rejected the wire. Had that been correct it would have gone through without issue. Also, the name the guy is using to communicate is Eric Fluger.
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7 November 2019, 07:04 AM | #100 | |
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7 November 2019, 07:47 AM | #101 |
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This is worrying. I can’t believe we don’t have a 100 post requirement to list watches up to $5000 or less a 350 post requirement up to $10,000 and 750 post requirement for watches over $15,000
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7 November 2019, 10:53 AM | #102 | |
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I don't think post counts correlate to honesty. How about a credit check with full social security etc. just like employers or landlords do for a background check. We pay the $50 fees.
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7 November 2019, 12:02 PM | #103 |
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[QUOTE] Originally Posted by hobby View Post
How does one do a reverse picture search? [QUOTE] 1. Type in Google 2. Click Images or the Camera icon 3. I save a picture I want to search for on my desktop so when I get to the place you have to make a choice insert the exact picture you want located. 4. Scroll down and see what comes up. |
7 November 2019, 07:45 PM | #104 | |
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It's all so simple and it's been said 10,000 before. Buy...the...seller. Period. OP, I'm glad your money was returned to you.
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7 November 2019, 10:22 PM | #105 |
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To be honest I see both sides of this problem. I do buy the seller and do it in person so there's no surprises later. But with all the scams there seems there should be a better way to protect those that dont buy the seller which are normally newer people.
Has the powers to be every considered making it a little more difficult to sell? Meaning more post counts would be a way to make it harder and more time consuming for a scam/seller to set up shop? Or a time interval with a year or so waiting period? There has to be a way to make it more difficult for a scammer while not making it more work for the mods. There's plenty of selling venues for those that cant wait. I hate thieves and it seems this forum has a lot of them and they thrive here. I couldnt imagine forking over 10K after saving my whole life, being excited to get my first Rolex grail only to find out I sent my money to a thief. Would take the wind right out of my sail and make me never trust anyone or want to get into watches again. |
7 November 2019, 10:33 PM | #106 | |
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All the infrastructure exists. It’s called PayPal. Just follow these steps. 1) make sure both parties are verified 2) make sure seller issues buyer an invoice through PayPal’s system. 3) buyer pays seller. 4) Seller takes the 3 percent hit. Both you have protection. 5) seller ships. 6) nothing arrives or something fake arrives, buyer gets his money back. PayPal has saved my butt on a watch deal 4 years ago for a grand carrera. If we are not meeting in person, then pay the 3 percent. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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7 November 2019, 10:41 PM | #107 | |
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7 November 2019, 10:52 PM | #108 | |
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That's a bit dramatic. A credit or criminal check to allow your account to sell $10K devices with no commission does not warrant this overblown slippery slope nonsense.
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8 November 2019, 07:50 PM | #109 | |
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9 November 2019, 12:50 AM | #110 | |
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A potential purchaser of an item could approach the potential seller and they could go about their business in this fashion. Doesn't affect us mods, though it strikes me that the member who performs zero due-dilligence is hardly going to change his ways because it's a good idea. If, on the other hand you are suggesting that TRF mods perform this as a service, then my buddy Mailman has said it already.
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9 November 2019, 12:52 AM | #111 |
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Done.
First offer over £15k and it's theirs.
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9 November 2019, 03:36 PM | #112 | |
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Yep, it was just another idea for discussion like using only PayPal or meeting face to face at AD. Wasn't meant to be so polarizing. You're right that the hurried and naive will always be the ones falling for these scams no matter what you do to try to keep them safe.
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11 November 2019, 03:06 AM | #113 | |
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It’s a dangerous proposition for the seller though. Buyers have up to 6 months to complain something was wrong and PP will side with them most of the time.
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11 November 2019, 03:12 AM | #114 | |
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Not if every single precaution is taken, you can Minimize the risk. That includes takeoff photos and videos of packaging, model numbers, serial number, etc. To be honest, you’re right. There is a risk. But the risk is lower then just a straight wire. Plus as the seller you can still sue PayPal if they don’t side with you. Other than that, in person is the only way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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11 November 2019, 05:07 AM | #115 | |
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A friend on another forum had a buyer file a PP claim a few days before the end of the six month period. He claimed he’d just finally opened the box and the second hand had fallen off. PP sided with the buyer.
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11 November 2019, 03:46 PM | #116 |
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Call your bank and his bank and report it as fraud. If the funds are still in his account they might be able to freeze it for you and revert the transaction. Also make a police report for paper trail.
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11 November 2019, 04:00 PM | #117 | |
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Your friend would be entitled to have the watch back. I’ve sold some high value items using PayPal for payment and I do several things as safe guards. The first is I take photos of all labels and serial numbers. The second is I take a video showing the serial number first followed by the actual act of myself packaging the item and sealing the cartons along with affixing the shipping label. After everything is packaged I draw something across the packaging tape with permanent marker. Once the package is ready I take more photos always showing the same drawing. Lastly when I drop It off, I take a video of the package with the receipt showing it was dropped off. Lastly, I make sure to issue invoices that show that ALL SALES ARE FINAL!!! Along with a disclaimer stating that any claims for damage have to be made within 24 hours and if the package arrives damaged, it must be rejected upon attempted delivery. With all this evidence, if PayPal sides with the seller, I would first ask for the item back. When the package arrives, I would take a video of unboxing the shipping package with the tracking number visible along with verifying serial numbers. If the serial number doesn’t match the first video, it’s evidence that the item was switched. At this point PayPal could side with him as much as they want, but since you have all this evidence and they don’t, then all that’s left is to file suit. I don’t sell anything over a 1k and have never sold a watch, but small claims usually suffices for a lawsuit and PayPal Won’t show up because it’s cheaper to pay the 1k then to fly someone out and in California, they can’t hirer a lawyer. At the end it’s documentation. If you document, you’re safe, if you don’t, then you can end up losing if the other guy is dishonest. But when it comes to a watch that costs 20k or even 10k, i do it like I do cars, face to face. Meet at the bank and do the exchange there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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12 November 2019, 09:21 AM | #118 |
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12 November 2019, 11:16 AM | #119 |
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I'm in favor of TRF exploring a partnership / agreement with Chrono24 or another like service and establishing a protocol involving a safe and secure escrow process.
Go ahead and sub-brand it as a service here and charge for it. It can be done. Ben |
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TRF doesn't sell watches.
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