Maxi-Case Lugs

[FHFinster]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Take a look at early Submariners such as the 6204 and you’ll see 6 digit Subs share more in common with the earlier rectangular design.

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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by franktehtank

I like both 5 and 6 digit Rolex's for what they are, but I prefer 6 digit for myself. I like the beefier lugs, I think they look great on the wrist.

I think your opinion on the watch may be poisoned by too much forum browsing. You either like the watch, or you don't. And you obviously liked the watch when you first bought it.

If I were you, I'd keep the 6 digit, as it's (IMO) the superior watch.

Alternately, it's possible he was seduced and beguiled by the idea of having the nice and shiny Ceramic bezel insert, the Maxi-dial, the Glidelock and Chromalite.
A bit like being mesmerized by the shiny ball up in the corner to notice what he was getting into.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
And sometimes one just can't unsee some things.

[Jmbarrack]

I’ve found that the Super cases wear better on people of larger stature, both height and wrist size. The lugs of the 5 digit cases are more elegant and more true to the Oyster cases classic proportions. They also are closer to the golden ration when you calculate lug width to case diameter. The eye is just more naturally drawn.

As some have pointed out, the short running SD4K provides the benefit of the 6 digit improvement with more tapered lugs. Unfortunately, Rolex chose to only produce this case for a short period of time and never transitioned it over to the Sub and GMT.

Ultimately it comes down to what you like on your wrist. I don’t like the 6 digit cases and wore 5 digit references until I discovered the SD4K. Now that’s the one I own.


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[nr1416]

I've owned both 5 digit and 6. Have to say my preference is the 6 digit Subs.

For some reason the lugs look bigger in pics but on the wrist the 6 digit Subs are pure perfection for me.

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[Montremoi]

Originally Posted by FHFinster

Great contribution. Thank you.


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I fail to see how this illustrates the argument that the six digits' design is akin to that of old series.

These lugs look triangular to me, not rectangular. And their ends are very slim. So closer to a five digits.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Montremoi

I fail to see how this illustrates the argument that the six digits' design is akin to that of old series.

These lugs look triangular to me, not rectangular. And their ends are very slim. So closer to a five digits.

It must have started out just like a 6 digit Sub but over the years it's been over polished so much it has become just like any 5 digit.
I'll bet if you look at the side of the lugs there's even lug holes appearing there's so much material removed

[replicator]

6 digit sub lugs look fine to me. Love the current gen of subs.

[bezler]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Take a look at early Submariners such as the 6204 and you’ll see 6 digit Subs share more in common with the earlier rectangular design.

Yeah, that's been refuted repeatedly, and yet it keeps popping up.

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[Jackumi]

Originally Posted by bezler

Yeah, that's been refuted repeatedly, and yet it keeps popping up.

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How can you refute an opinion?

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Jackumi

How can you refute an opinion?

Precisely

One can only argue against it and ideally provide proof.
IMO, the proof is before us in the pic.

Then again, some would need definitive measurements provided by an independent industry expert as the pic alone would not suffice

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by bezler

Yeah, that's been refuted repeatedly, and yet it keeps popping up.

That old chestnut.

[stratguy]

The 6 digit lugs are a mindset, at least for me anyway. I bought my first sub in 1999. Have owned all variations of modern divers and bought a 114060 a few years ago. I wore it in rotation with a 14060M and some other watches. Approx. 18 months ago, I decided that I favored the 5 digit case and sold my 114060. A couple of months ago, my wife (she wears a DJ41 and Exp II) had my 14060M in hand and commented on how cheesy the bracelet felt (which it does). I really started to think about the differences between 5 and 6 digit versions, and a few weeks ago I sold my 14060M and bought a 114060 again. There are so many advantages to this watch that I will never go back now. The lugs have become a non-issue for me. It's funny that everyone is under the assumption that the next generation sub will have classic lugs. Rolex sells every 6 digit sub they make, so perhaps they won't mess with a good thing! Bottom line is that if you tell yourself the lugs aren't an issue, they aren't! My collection is pared down to a 114060 and a Speedy Pro Hesalite on strap. I also have a Breitling Blackbird that I don't wear, but I'm keeping for my son. Couldn't be happier.

[jerryguo]

i too find myself can’t get used to the wide lugs on six digit subs/GMTs


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[Mandy01]

Originally Posted by CountryRoads

I got a 114060 earlier this year, and it was the first Sub I ever handled.

After getting it, I read complaints about the lugs and didn't really know what people were talking about. I had never handled a 5 digit model, so it was all new to me.

One day I looked on my wrist and I saw the lugs... ... ....

Now I can't unsee them.


Still love my Milgauss, but I may be done with Ceramic Bezel GMT's and Subs.

I will say, in one short year my taste has changed countless times. I guess I am "formulating" my taste in Rolex's.

Wondering if my distaste for the lugs will pass.

I have one 114060 and love it, is very masculine, a real tool watch in my opinion. If you dislike it, you should not have any problem to sell it quickly at a good price.

[CNDguy]

OP I agree with you. I’m not a sports watch guys but I had a 6 digit Datejust and sold it for a 5. The 6 doesn’t have the classic proportions in my opinion.

[Roddypeepa]

Super case is beefy, manly and robust. Nothing wrong with 5 digit. Nothing wrong with 6. It’s here to stay and the solidity of the watch is lovely. Bracelet compared with rattly 5 digit is lovely. What’s not to like?


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by stratguy

The 6 digit lugs are a mindset, at least for me anyway. I bought my first sub in 1999. Have owned all variations of modern divers and bought a 114060 a few years ago. I wore it in rotation with a 14060M and some other watches. Approx. 18 months ago, I decided that I favored the 5 digit case and sold my 114060. A couple of months ago, my wife (she wears a DJ41 and Exp II) had my 14060M in hand and commented on how cheesy the bracelet felt (which it does). I really started to think about the differences between 5 and 6 digit versions, and a few weeks ago I sold my 14060M and bought a 114060 again. There are so many advantages to this watch that I will never go back now. The lugs have become a non-issue for me. It's funny that everyone is under the assumption that the next generation sub will have classic lugs. Rolex sells every 6 digit sub they make, so perhaps they won't mess with a good thing! Bottom line is that if you tell yourself the lugs aren't an issue, they aren't! My collection is pared down to a 114060 and a Speedy Pro Hesalite on strap. I also have a Breitling Blackbird that I don't wear, but I'm keeping for my son. Couldn't be happier.

Rolex sells everything they make.
So to single out the Sub on that basis is seriously flawed.

Before the Supercase nobody, absolutely nobody ever complained about the design or proportions of the Mid-case on the 5 digit Sub or any other reference.
Since the introduction of the 6 digit Sub, the issue has really only been with the Sub and it has never gone away with people talking in terms of hope for a re-design when the new movement comes.
Nobody complains or makes disparaging remarks about every other reference since which has been beefed up slightly in the lug area, and that's all of them.

I understand it appeals to some.
But they made it into a blob with the introduction of the 6 digit.
Since then Rolex has returned to more pleasing design proportions with every single reference they've brought out.
The Sub is nearing a milestone again and it's not inconceivable It will be changed sooner rather that later.

[Montremoi]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Before the Supercase nobody, absolutely nobody ever complained about the design or proportions of the Mid-case on the 5 digit Sub or any other reference.
Since the introduction of the 6 digit Sub, the issue has really only been with the Sub and it has never gone away with people talking in terms of hope for a re-design when the new movement comes.
Nobody complains or makes disparaging remarks about every other reference since which has been beefed up slightly in the lug area, and that's all of them.

I understand it appeals to some.
But they made it into a blob with the introduction of the 6 digit.

Amen

Time to get rid of that ugly soap bar and get a properly shaped case again

[gpf]

The max size sub lugs are fatter than the DS lugs, that tells me they are not proportioned to the case.

[chazadams]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Take a look at early Submariners such as the 6204 and you’ll see 6 digit Subs share more in common with the earlier rectangular design.

I agree and nice to see someone else with the same opinion . Owned both and the 6 digit was a welcome upgrade to me personally. Wish I would have kept my 5 digit for sentimental reasons, but the 6 digit proved a major upgrade to me with the ceramic bezel and AMAZING glidelock

[Jmbarrack]

Originally Posted by Montremoi

Amen

Time to get rid of that ugly soap bar and get a properly shaped case again

And they’ve already started to transition to nicer lugs with newer models. Both the 126710 GMT references have seen a slim down and so have did the 116600 and 126600.

So it seems like they’re moving in that direction. There’s just no telling when it will ever happen on the Subs.


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[Jackumi]

Originally Posted by Montremoi

Amen

Time to get rid of that ugly soap bar and get a properly shaped case again

Amen brother, now we are seeing untold numbers of the current models of Subs and GMT's languishing unsold in the cases of the AD's all over the world, Rolex HQ must be finally getting the message from us pure Rolex watch people clear and strong!

[nr1416]

The super case compliments the maxi dial perfectly. I think having a maxi dial with skinny lugs would look out of proportion.

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[Marast-66]

No it’s not , kermit is beautiful peace .


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[Jmbarrack]

Originally Posted by Marast-66

No it’s not , kermit is beautiful peace .


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+1

Kermit is proof that maxi dials and hands can perfectly co-exist with slimmer cases.


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Jmbarrack

+1

Kermit is proof that maxi dials and hands can perfectly co-exist with slimmer cases.


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Agreed.
Besides, long before the Kermit Rolex made Maxi-dials which are highly prized in the vintage market on older 4 digit Subs.
The wider Minute hand on the Kermit put the finishing touch to the display.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Jmbarrack

And they’ve already started to transition to nicer lugs with newer models. Both the 126710 GMT references have seen a slim down and so have did the 116600 and 126600.

So it seems like they’re moving in that direction. There’s just no telling when it will ever happen on the Subs.


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And don't forget the highly prized Rolesor Skydweller.
Those skinny lugs are a real turn off.
So much so that there are countless examples languishing in display cases all over the world.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by chazadams

I agree and nice to see someone else with the same opinion . Owned both and the 6 digit was a welcome upgrade to me personally. Wish I would have kept my 5 digit for sentimental reasons, but the 6 digit proved a major upgrade to me with the ceramic bezel and AMAZING glidelock

That's the issue though.
The 6 digit soap bar Sub was packaged up with other "upgrades".
The soap bar was never tested in the market as a stand alone proposition.
Perhaps a new movement upgrade packaged with a revised case shape will be the ultimate litmus test when they're sitting side by side.
I'll wager, each and every watch will be relatively hard to get at the list price regardless and they'll all be sold before the hit the display cases.

[Marast-66]

Originally Posted by Dirt

That's the issue though.

The 6 digit soap bar Sub was packaged up with other "upgrades".

The soap bar was never tested in the market as a stand alone proposition.

Perhaps a new movement upgrade packaged with a revised case shape will be the ultimate litmus test when they're sitting side by side.

I'll wager, each and every watch will be relatively hard to get at the list price regardless and they'll all be sold before the hit the display cases.

“Soap bar Sub is still best all around sport watch money can buy from Rolex , no matter if it is supercase or slim lugs case .


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Marast-66

“Soap bar Sub is still best all around sport watch money can buy from Rolex , no matter if it is supercase or slim lugs case .


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Precisely
That's why I describe the ND and date versions as the base model Rolex "sports watches".
The soap bar moniker is reserved for the 6 digit references.