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13 May 2024, 06:11 AM | #121 |
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Yes yes, there may be some problems with the 32xx movement for some users, but can we get back to discussing the important things?
So, I’ll start - is the white hang tag needed to have a full set, and will the resale value go down without it? |
13 May 2024, 06:23 AM | #122 |
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I own or have owned around 10 32xx moments and all keep about -1 a day. I just checked my 126719 BLRO and after 33 days of keeping it running and wearing it regularly and it’s lost a total of 29 seconds which is obviously less than a second a day.
I guess I’m just lucky and should buy a lotto ticket. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The 126610LN has been my daily for over a year and a half and the performance has only improved over time. At first it consistently ran at -2/day, then progressively got better and better... recently checked in March after 49 days it ran -0.19387755, at 51 days -0.16666667, at 54 days -0.08333333, and at 56 days averaged 0 secs per day.
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This is the point that has stuck with me throughout this whole thread regardless of Devildog’s tour de force of cutting and pasting quotes from Rolex. It seems impossible to imagine that Rolex could or would intend to guarantee that their watch could not deviate in timekeeping more than -2/+2 regardless of age or power reserve or temperature or position or gravity or lack thereof or any other variable known or unknown. They can’t test for every single combination of variables so how could they guarantee performance in every scenario? As I understand it Rolex tests movements in standard positions and this is how they establish accuracy. Any watch that could maintain virtual perfection in every possible unknown combination of scenarios would be truly magical indeed.
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Wow. You americans must be more sensitive than I thought
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I don't disagree that its highly unlikely that all the green tag watches will perform to +/- 2spd every day for 5 years or more regardless of any of the variables we all know exist. However if that's what Rolex say they will do, then purchasers of Rolex products have a right to expect that performance irrespective of whether you or I or anyone thinks its unrealistic. The whole reason for my involvement in this thread, and the additional research it generated, was to counter those posters who were stating assumptions as fact to support their contention that no, that's not what the advertised spec was. If doing that and providing extracts and links to Rolex's own material (much if not all of which appears to have been ignored by some) is "boorish" then I'd rather that than blind arrogance. I was surprised as anyone that there is no small print to caveat to the stated spec. I was even more surprised to read the "guarantees +/- 2spd" statement.
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13 May 2024, 10:56 AM | #129 |
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I'm not American... but surely you must want to have the clock well calibrated in the thousandths of a second to be able to arrive on time at 5 PM... before the sweets run out...Or the tea cools down
Now... you have to be very meticulous to observe these changes of seconds... in addition to being precise... how do you do it? Not even in a million years I would realize that my watch loses 3 seconds a day .... Greetings to the Monty Python!
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Mine was just at 2yrs when it started to slow down . Up until that time , it was shockingly accurate and it was my everyday watch . At first it was not really noticeable and i figured it could be attributed to my activity level or how I placed it overnight . However , it got to a point where I would set it on Monday morning (my usual time check for accuracy) and by afternoon. It would be off by 10 seconds . I took it in and the quickly confirmed low amplitude and kept it for service . It took almost 4 weeks and just got it back . It is now running like new . I tried to get specifics of what was done to it (part replacement etc) and all that I am told and written on the paperwork is “watch serviced”.
My big concern is that all my watches are now 32xx, movements , but is only the 126040 I wear on a regular basis . My concern is that the others will have the same issue but I won’t catch it under warranty . Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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I will say this. I think I've owned about 7-8 32xx watches over the last couple of years, I have a bad habit of flipping. But I did own each at least 3 months (or they were at least that old when I got them). EVERY single one of them during my ownership never deviated from -2/+2 unless they were at the end of the power reserve (maybe the last 12 hours) during which they would lose time rapidly. And to be more precise, it was always -1 or -2, never gained, and never lost more.
And yes, I remember a couple that seemed closer to -1 that went "down" to -2 after a couple of months. Most all mechanical watches settle in after a while. OP's problem doesn't seem like the oft-reported 32xx problems, it seems like most owners report a sudden and drastic loss of time, much more than -3. If I was in OP's shoes, I probably wouldn't be too concerned and try to make sure I take the time measurement after a full wind and trying different positions at night and the usual stuff. Having said that, my experience of extreme as advertised precision on every single 32xx Rolex I've owned would make me slightly concerned if it was still out of spec after trying all the above, even if it's just a second or two. I certainly wouldn't send it in, but I'd monitor it and see how it goes. |
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Yes Omega changed from the normal COSC spec AVERAGE -4+6 seconds, to the 0+5 seconds so Rolex had to try and trump it, marketing today is good but it often baffles brains.
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I've had 2 watches with these issues, but even I am getting bored of reading all the back and forth from the believers and deniers.
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It is not primarily about the accuracy but more so about the RELIABILITY. If the brand new watch costing AUD 15,000 suddenly goes out of spec, it shatters my confidence that this watch will last “the lifetime” (just kidding of course) as it is expected from Rolex? Think RELIABILITY and not sheer accuracy. ———————————/-//—- It is now loosing 4s per day Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Just because any watch goes slightly out of spec by loosing or gaining a few seconds would doubt if it would effect reliability.Alll Rolex movements made over the past 60 odd years some had a few problems like the12,15,30,and 31 series but many are still ticking 50 plus years old.
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In addition, the reliability is given by the support that the brand puts in the face of any event, not if the watch delays or advances 1 second more than in the controlled laboratory tests they have done!
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It's very simple for anyone. You set your watch to a reference time (in my case I use time.gov) I write down when I set the time, and then I check the time on my watch vs the reference time after a certain period of time has passed. And then I confirm on a timegrapher. It's really not that difficult, you should try it sometime. |
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New Sub 126040 - 3230 losing time
I always feel excluded from these threads because my position is somewhere in the middle.
I have two watches with the 32xx movement by the way. Both are running within spec right now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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You are waiting for a Rolex Technician to come along to explain to you the difficulties they have to deal with in getting the dodgy 32xx movements to operate in accordance with Rolex specs. It's been done and done more than sufficiently on this forum.. Not just by our own celebrity Rolex watchmaker on this forum but others also with overlaps across the internet forums from other well respected watchmakers who are probably more active and well known within the industry. |
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I love Rolex because it is a robust, accurate mechanical watch. I can wear it during any activity, and I do--golfing, diving/snorkeling, hiking, working out, etc. It has never missed a beat in more than a decade. f you don't want to read my pontificating about my love of Rolex, feel free to skip to my question at the end.
I purchased it because it was tough and accurate and it looks good. The last factor wouldn't matter if it didn't have the first two. I am so impressed with its engineering. Few watches at that price point maintain that level of accuracy (Omega, Tudor, ?) and have that toughness. I always think it is odd when members are excoriated for wanting a Rolex to perform within the 2 second standard that Rolex has set for itself. Detractors love to point out the number of seconds in a day and state their disbelief that 3 1/2 seconds a day matters to us. Here is why the accuracy matters to me: 1) I wear one watch and I like NOT having to adjust the time. If a watch was only within COSC spec it could gain 6 seconds per day and it would be off my 3 minutes in a month. I would want to reset it long before that. As it stands now, I don't have to adjust the time for months or longer. 2) Products with a high degree of engineering are fascinating. I am not an engineer and I just find the mechanicals of a watch that is a second or two off per a day very impressive. I am less impressed by a watch that is 6 seconds off per day. So, here is my question. If you don't care that Rolex is so uber accurate, then why do you buy Rolex? You can buy a much cheaper COSC dive or dress watch that still looks great. Are you buying it as expensive jewelry or as a status symbol or something else? Serious question. |
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1) Because they have faith their product is reliable and will not fail in some way for longer than the original (shorter) period previously offered. 2) For marketing/keeping up with or bettering the competition reasons. To increase a warranty because they expect problems is highly unusual for a manufacturing company and makes little sense, financial or otherwise. Quote:
I'll give you the benefit of doubt that you are not simply trolling Set watch to exact time against recognised exact time source. I use time.is. Compare watch to recognised time source 24 hours later. Repeat as necessary to understand the impact of as many variables as you see fit There are also many smartphone apps for this purpose that allow you to record as many data points in a chosen period as you see fit and which will then present the results in various forms including a graphical representation of timekeeping. Once installed it takes but seconds each time to use
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