Vietnam War Rolex GMT-Master 1675

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by zapokee

I see it's had a badly stretched Jubilee bracelet added to it.

The original braclet was reportedly removed because it was trashed. At least replace it with one that isn't trashed...

and it has a different insert as well?

30-50k chf is steep, why would someone pay this?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by subx

since you state than Vietnam War connection brings NO added value...this one should end up in the high teens with the paperwork.

You say you're not trolling me, and then you deliberately mis-state my comments. I guess you just can't help yourself. I said it brings no added value TO ME, which is not a comment on the expected hammer price. Dealers and premier auction houses have their ways of inflating prices, notably involving "provenance", which was my entire point.

Originally Posted by subx

I will gladly pay a premium for Vietnam War combat worn Rolexes, sell me your one owner GMT combat worn ?

Nah, I guess I'll send it to Sotheby's when I'm ready.

[Wahlberg]

The listing mentions a tropical brown dial. Am I missing something?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Dan S

You say you're not trolling me, and then you deliberately mis-state my comments. I guess you just can't help yourself. I said it brings no added value TO ME, which is not a comment on the expected hammer price. Dealers and premier auction houses have their ways of inflating prices, notably involving "provenance", which was my entire point.



Nah, I guess I'll send it to Sotheby's when I'm ready.

[1675-David]

A Vietnam era watch bought in Hong Kong with some crude engravings on the case is not going to entice me to pay more than an equivalent watch without the engraving. That scroll could have been the result of a lost weekend in Vagas with some army buds and as provenance goes is pretty thin, it doesn't add value in my world.

Still a cool watch though and I love the dial in the OPs pix which show off it's tropical colouring beautifully.

[Wiener48]

So guy’s, what you think, where will be the hammer for the watch, what you guess?

[Kingsking]

Originally Posted by Dan S

https://jones-horan.hibid.com/catalo...s-and-jewelry/
Lots 157 and 285.

thanks

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Wiener48

So guy’s, what you think, where will be the hammer for the watch, what you guess?

So this is your watch as well?

[Wiener48]

Yes, for sure.

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

So this is your watch as well?

[LateLearner]

Agree with Dan S and Springer.

It was common to deface items with a service number, or “last 4” in that era.

To a lesser degree, it still is.

Difference now is the SOF community (and conventional units) understand the loss of value when doing so.

None of the post-9/11 SOF guys I served with took their Rolex. Only exceptions were senior field grade officers, General Officers and Senior NCOs who never left the wire.

Randall Made knives-yes! I had Randall engrave my Model 14, but would never engrave my 5513 or 16750.

My single vote is for “no added value.” None.

DOL


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[77T]

Originally Posted by Wiener48

Yes, for sure.

Just making sure - you mean that you own the watch being auctioned?

Meaning that the SGT (whose name is in the Sotheby’s description) is not the owner?


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[Wiener48]

Correct :-)

Originally Posted by 77T

Just making sure - you mean that you own the watch being auctioned?

Meaning that the SGT (whose name is in the Sotheby’s description) is not the owner?


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[77T]

Good luck on the auction.

My only quibble is why you (or someone) sourced an older, partly faded Pepsi insert and installed it to make it look original?

Sotheby’s is presenting it incorrectly methinks?

Here is how it looked in 2018 when sold for 10k€ with a service insert.




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[TimeLord2]

Why am I not surprised…?

[SS Oyster]

Why did he “engrave” both sides of the case?

Makes no sense, but cool watch if only for the story, which is a bit light in detail IMO.


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[Wahlberg]

Anyone know which auction it was getting sold at? Curious if it reaches the estimate.

Was this the link? Lot no longer available. It was Sothebys.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...s-steel-dual-2

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Anyone know which auction it was getting sold at? Curious if it reaches the estimate.

Was this the link? Lot no longer available. It was Sothebys.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...s-steel-dual-2

I can't find it in the results.

[1665fan]

It’s all setup so he can flip his watches for more $$$ looks like to me……….just another peddler

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

It’s all setup so he can flip his watches for more $$$ looks like to me……….just another peddler

It's clear he was promoting the auction listing on this thread, but what happened after that? Wouldn't Sothebys have had the watch in their hands?

[SignotheTimes]

https://thewatchguy.de/watch/1675-gm...opical-long-e/

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by signothetimes

https://thewatchguy.de/watch/1675-gm...opical-long-e/

j e e e z

:-\

[Mark020]

Description is a work of art

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by SignotheTimes

https://thewatchguy.de/watch/1675-gm...opical-long-e/

Peddler indeed.

Tried once to buy from him a 5513 and all was pretty shady, a true "artist"...

[Kingface66]

That is the most pretentious scribbling I’ve ever read on a watch site. He refers to the watch in the second person!

[swaini3]

[1675-David]

€47k

[mroberts]

Did they replace the hands? The ones in thewatchguy link looks much cleaner than the image posted above in this thread.

[GONZO2LR]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Someone overpaid. This isn’t a rare milspec issue watch. Some dude bought it whilst out on liberty, then gouged the snot out of it fearing his mates might steal it. The case is trashed.

you have to think about this...he was in a war, he put his info on the Rolex, not because he was afraid his fellow soldiers would steal it, they would not do that! He did that in case he got killed or captured and the enemy got it off him. And maybe one day his family would be able to retrieve it, he got that Rolex to help him keep time for many important things....it was a lifeline to keep in check, not some luxury watch like you would wear to dinner or stare at while you watch your tv or movie and wipe clean when you got a smudge on it because you scratched it in your cubicle at work...

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by GONZO2LR

you have to think about this...he was in a war, he put his info on the Rolex, not because he was afraid his fellow soldiers would steal it, they would not do that! He did that in case he got killed or captured and the enemy got it off him. And maybe one day his family would be able to retrieve it, he got that Rolex to help him keep time for many important things....it was a lifeline to keep in check, not some luxury watch like you would wear to dinner or stare at while you watch your tv or movie and wipe clean when you got a smudge on it because you scratched it in your cubicle at work...

Hmmm - the cynic in me thinks there might be some 'story' watches coming back from Ukraine then in due course, if conflict puffs up values ! No offense meant to anyone who has served or Ukrainian Nationals - they are frankly amazing - the comment is firmly aimed at unscrupulous watch 'fluffers', and the daft b#ggers who buy them at hyper-inflated-prices, that's all !

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

€47k

Ten years from now, that will probably look like an absolute steal for a long E 1675.

I remember being amazed at 50k Paul Newman Daytona prices years ago, and I was incredulous when MilSubs also reached that "crazy high" price level... Now I wish I'd bought 10 of each at those prices.