Submariner LV, MK1 MK2 side by side Pics...

[RyanO]

Originally Posted by azcii

I have the MK1 and really love the emerald/forest green bezel. But I will need to see the Mk2 IRL before making up my mind on which one I prefer. Judging by the pictures, you can't really go wrong with either :-)

Really nice photo


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[GGGMT]

Whoa! Mark 1 or mark 2?





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[Driver8]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I hear you, I do … but how do you explain the BLRO?

We appear to have come full circle on the color spectrum haven’t we?

MK1 2018 (pink and purple to many)

2 more variants MK2 and MK3 till 2022.(deeper red and blue)

Now from 2022-2023 we see bezels that appear closer to the 2018 color variant, (at least to my eye)

No one knows for sure, but I always thought the firing process argument makes sense.

I wouldn’t say Rolex is exactly known for the highest quality when it comes to how they execute on their watches. They are mass produced afterall

EDIT: I should clarify, that I do believe there are 2 LV versions as posted above. I just thought I’d add the BLRO into the mix to spice up the thread.

I hear you on that one as well Brian, but personally I think the BLRO falls into exactly the same camp - a wilful decision on Rolex's part to tweak the colours of the bezel over time.

The way I think the BLRO is different to the LV is because Rolex have given themselves a massive headache by insisting on using a single piece of ceramic for a bezel that's comprised of two colours at the opposite end of the spectrum. By overlaying one of those colours over the other, they are always going to have issues of either reds becoming pink/fushia and/or blues becoming purple to a certain extent. Other brands that use a two piece ceramic bezel are perfectly capable of producing a crisp red next to a crisp blue: it's just Rolex's engineering choice that has given them this problem.

I personally think they've carried on tweaking the BLRO bezel over time. Maybe they've come full circle now, but the fact that (as you rightly said), the MK1 in 2018 was pink/purple, the Mk2 and Mk3 till 2022 were a deeper red and blue, and now from 2022-2023 we see bezels that appear closer to the 2018, kind of makes my case - i.e. that the bezel colours have changed over time, but not randomly. If they were just random results of the firing process we'd have seem some darker ones, some pastel ones, some pink and purple ones, etc, all appearing within the same time periods. And I don't think we have. There seems to be distinct periods for each version.

Obviously all IMO of course!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Driver8

I hear you on that one as well Brian, but personally I think the BLRO falls into exactly the same camp - a wilful decision on Rolex's part to tweak the colours of the bezel over time.

The way I think the BLRO is different to the LV is because Rolex have given themselves a massive headache by insisting on using a single piece of ceramic for a bezel that's comprised of two colours at the opposite end of the spectrum. By overlaying one of those colours over the other, they are always going to have issues of either reds becoming pink/fushia and/or blues becoming purple to a certain extent. Other brands that use a two piece ceramic bezel are perfectly capable of producing a crisp red next to a crisp blue: it's just Rolex's engineering choice that has given them this problem.

I personally think they've carried on tweaking the BLRO bezel over time. Maybe they've come full circle now, but the fact that (as you rightly said), the MK1 in 2018 was pink/purple, the Mk2 and Mk3 till 2022 were a deeper red and blue, and now from 2022-2023 we see bezels that appear closer to the 2018, kind of makes my case - i.e. that the bezel colours have changed over time, but not randomly. If they were just random results of the firing process we'd have seem some darker ones, some pastel ones, some pink and purple ones, etc, all appearing within the same time periods. And I don't think we have. There seems to be distinct periods for each version.

Obviously all IMO of course!

So Re we saying that Rolex got the blro colors right the first time? j/k

Its all conjecture here as well and I always enjoy the debate

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[Driver8]

Originally Posted by brandrea

So Re we saying that Rolex got the blro colors right the first time? j/k

Rolex are never wrong! You should know that by now!

Originally Posted by brandrea

Its all conjecture here as well and I always enjoy the debate

Me too! Good natured discussion (about things that none of us really know the answer too!) is what this place is all about.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Driver8

Rolex are never wrong! You should know that by now!


Me too! Good natured discussion (about things that none of us really know the answer too!) is what this place is all about.

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[TVC15]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I hear you, I do … but how do you explain the BLRO?

We appear to have come full circle on the color spectrum haven’t we?

MK1 2018 (pink and purple to many)

2 more variants MK2 and MK3 till 2022.(deeper red and blue)

Now from 2022-2023 we see bezels that appear closer to the 2018 color variant, (at least to my eye)

No one knows for sure, but I always thought the firing process argument makes sense.

I wouldn’t say Rolex is exactly known for the highest quality when it comes to how they execute on their watches. They are mass produced afterall

EDIT: I should clarify, that I do believe there are 2 LV versions as posted above. I just thought I’d add the BLRO into the mix to spice up the thread.

LV is one color and has always been the same, from 11 through 12 until the 70th anniversary of the sub when it suddenly changed.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by brandrea

So Re we saying that Rolex got the blro colors right the first time? j/k

Its all conjecture here as well and I always enjoy the debate

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All conjecture regarding your analysis of the BLRO but do you mean to imply the sudden bezel change on the 70th anniversary of the sub was not done purposefully?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by TVC15

All conjecture regarding your analysis of the BLRO but do you mean to imply the sudden bezel change on the 70th anniversary of the sub was not done purposefully?

No, I mean the opposite in fact. LV appears to have been done purposefully. The BLRO could be for a variety of reasons as per my post and @Driver8 replies.

Of course it's all conjecture, I said that myself in post 154

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[TVC15]

Originally Posted by brandrea

No, I mean the opposite in fact. LV appears to have been done purposefully. The BLRO could be for a variety of reasons as per my post and @Driver8 replies.

Of course it's all conjecture, I said that myself in post 154

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I think I’ll give up trying to understand what you’re saying.

[enjoythemusic]

You guys realize the MKIII version will finally correct the....

I look forward to deliveries and the YouTubers' Xtreme opinion on the bezels. Pass the popcorn.

[SS Oyster]

Just took these pics of my 2020 Starbucks


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[RCorsa]

Just got the 2023 subLV mk2 and the green is different to my 2023 sprite which I assume is mk1 color

[RCorsa]

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[Kiddodoc]

Much prefer the newer green as opposed to the pastel like green of the MKI. I have owned all of the LV including an F series LV. The latest green is the most similar to the original. Which is the one I kept over the others.

[Wrathchild]

New one is greener, yep.
IMO Starbucks is the stupidest nick-name for the LV, like calling the Rootbeer the “tim hortons”.

Thanks for the photos though, big difference

[GGGMT]

My 2022 mki
Almost forest green




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[travisb]

Originally Posted by RCorsa

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Nice duo!
The LV on the left is the MK2. The green on the VTNR is the same green on the MK1 LV.

[Apdl]

Does anyone know the production dates of the Starbucks (MK1) vs the Kermit II (MK2)?
They are both ref 126610LV, correct?
Is any of the above correct?

The 116610LV is the Hulk and only the Hulk?

[RoshDawg]

What bothers me in these side by side pics is lighting. IMO, indoor lighting makes MK2 look better, but in full sun MK1 looks better.

Indoor can turn MK1 a little washed out, whereas full sun at the beach turns it into a rich emerald green that is unbelievably amazing (my personal favorite color). MK2 looks similar to MK1 in sun when indoors and under unnatural lighting, but can look more yellow and sickly (lack of better word) than MK1 when in sun.

I bought grey and was choosing between both with 1 month difference between the two at same price. But since I have 2 sons that I want to pass this down to, I want to buy an MK2 and wear that in the winters and MK1 in the summer, then pass down both!

[RoshDawg]

Originally Posted by Apdl

Does anyone know the production dates of the Starbucks (MK1) vs the Kermit II (MK2)?
They are both ref 126610LV, correct?
Is any of the above correct?

The 116610LV is the Hulk and only the Hulk?

MK2 started very late May 2023. What’s odd is I’ve seen MK1’s with June 2023 cards but that was likely due to delay in picking up the watch..

Yes, 116610LV is only the Hulk.

[RoshDawg]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

Just took these pics of my 2020 Starbucks


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IMO this is the most representative color reproduction I’ve seen so far in a pic of the MK1 in good lighting!

[Xelor5513]

Pics in similar lighting reinforces my preference of the MK1; it resembles the same Pantone/shade used for The Masters.

[teehan]

both photos are of my MK 1, taken in different lightings. that bezel certainly exudes various shades of green..






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[trout_thumper21]

Freeway sign green vs. Fidelity green

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by mg18

Are you denying this was a deliberate change?

Deliberate? Yes I would deny that or at least deny that Rolex specifically desired a change and reprogrammed a whole assembly. We see these evolutions in dials, bezels, bracelet clasps, crowns etc.. all the time. Supply changes, material changes or the elf that organizes the production that day, hits two instead of 3, but no one knows "why" specifically except Rolex.
When it's deliberate there's usually a reference change involved.