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Keanuchan · 20 April 2017, 04:38 PM

Hi, new to here and not sure where can I find the PP price list (UK) and not sure what is the retail price of 5712/1A now?
Many thanks

Sam Philip · 20 April 2017, 04:45 PM

MSRP price for 5712/1A in the UK is £24120.

lapince · 20 April 2017, 06:54 PM

Good choice, amazing watch and my favorite watch in the less than 50K segment

cinch · 20 April 2017, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lapince

Good choice, amazing watch and my favorite watch in the less than 50K segment

I'm on the list for a 5712 and hoping to get mine in July or possibly Nov. I also have a 5711 and 5167, just like you. I was concerned that the 5711 and 5712 were too similar but then again I like both watches so I've just gone for it anyway. How are you finding it having both 5711 and 12?

lapince · 20 April 2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cinch

I'm on the list for a 5712 and hoping to get mine in July or possibly Nov. I also have a 5711 and 5167, just like you. I was concerned that the 5711 and 5712 were too similar but then again I like both watches so I've just gone for it anyway. How are you finding it having both 5711 and 12?

Of course they are very similar but it's nice to have both, the 5711 has a more classic casual feel to it than the 5712 which for me is nicer, the 5711 is simpler and probably a great watch to wear when I will travel, but if to choose one I would definitely choose the 5712, love that watch

cinch · 20 April 2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lapince

Of course they are very similar but it's nice to have both, the 5711 has a more classic casual feel to it than the 5712 which for me is nicer, the 5711 is simpler and probably a great watch to wear when I will travel, but if to choose one I would definitely choose the 5712, love that watch

The 5712 looks a bit sportier to me, so I'll probably wear it with more casual attire and save the 5711 for suited and booted. I'm really looking forward to adding the 12 to the collection.

lapince · 20 April 2017, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cinch

The 5712 looks a bit sportier to me, so I'll probably wear it with more casual attire and save the 5711 for suited and booted. I'm really looking forward to adding the 12 to the collection.

12 is sportier and 11 a little more classy, but the simple time and date make the 11 a little more under the radar for me, you should love the 12, awesome watch

kaiserphoenix · 20 April 2017, 10:31 PM

Note the 5712 may look sportier but it has "only" 60m water resistance vs the 120m of the other nautilus.

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lapince · 20 April 2017, 11:00 PM

Well yes, but I don't swim with my watches, even my AP diver, of course to wash it under water 60m is more than enough, but if you want to swim with your watches 120m is better of course, but even on a 300m if one joint is dry and too old the movement will take in water, like was the case on the AP forum here where a member swam with his diver, rated 300 meters, and water went in, I think his warranty was finished, I prefer not to take the chance, of course between leaving my watch on the beach to go for a swim with the risk of it being stolen or swimming with it I will swim with it, but usually don't wear a watch going to the beach...

KarlS · 20 April 2017, 11:25 PM

Did over 300 dives with a Yachtmaster from 10m to 50m and never sprung a leak!!! Didn't even know you had to have a watch pressure tested in those days!!

Keanuchan · 21 April 2017, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Philip

MSRP price for 5712/1A in the UK is £24120.

cool, many thanks, hope i can get it before the price up again....

Keanuchan · 21 April 2017, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kaiserphoenix

Note the 5712 may look sportier but it has "only" 60m water resistance vs the 120m of the other nautilus.

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good to know, i am not aware of that but luckly i dont know how to swim... haha

Keanuchan · 21 April 2017, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cinch

I'm on the list for a 5712 and hoping to get mine in July or possibly Nov. I also have a 5711 and 5167, just like you. I was concerned that the 5711 and 5712 were too similar but then again I like both watches so I've just gone for it anyway. How are you finding it having both 5711 and 12?

I live in London and all the ADs are not accepting the waiting list, haven't tried the salons but I finally got an AD allowing me to put down my name but it is in up north

Keanuchan · 21 April 2017, 12:09 AM

anyone know will there be any price up again in the very near future?

cinch · 21 April 2017, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Keanuchan

I live in London and all the ADs are not accepting the waiting list, haven't tried the salons but I finally got an AD allowing me to put down my name but it is in up north

Yeah out of town ADs are the best to go to as they have fewer clients. I've used a couple in the north but I now stick with my local and they've been very good to me.

cinch · 21 April 2017, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Keanuchan

anyone know will there be any price up again in the very near future?

Who knows?? Probably but no one knows for sure.

Keanuchan · 21 April 2017, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cinch

Who knows?? Probably but no one knows for sure.

agree, ... just hope i can get it before the price up again.

lapince · 21 April 2017, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlS

Did over 300 dives with a Yachtmaster from 10m to 50m and never sprung a leak!!! Didn't even know you had to have a watch pressure tested in those days!!

I knew a long time ago you were supposed to test them, but the watches I was swimming with at that time were 2-3K at most, so didn't really care and swam with them even without testing them, since I went into high end pieces I prefer just to avoid swimming with them, if I test the watch and 6 months later I swim with it and it takes water, I don't think the manufacture is going to service it free of charge because it was tested less than a year ago, this is what happened to a member with an AP ceramic diver, good for 300 meters, so I prefer safe than sorry...

Passionata · 21 April 2017, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kaiserphoenix

Note the 5712 may look sportier but it has "only" 60m water resistance vs the 120m of the other nautilus.

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Just don t care with the WR if one of the screws are lose .

Passionata · 21 April 2017, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarlS

Did over 300 dives with a Yachtmaster from 10m to 50m and never sprung a leak!!! Didn't even know you had to have a watch pressure tested in those days!!

Rolex and low end japenese never other high end swiss brands daily

AK797 · 21 April 2017, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Keanuchan

anyone know will there be any price up again in the very near future?

I don't think one is coming soon, but if we all vote for Corbyn

and we de-Brexit all goes back to normal again.

lapince · 21 April 2017, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

I don't think one is coming soon, but if we all vote for Corbyn

and we de-Brexit all goes back to normal again.

Well I know it is tough for a few years but I really hope we will have a Frexit one day

Europe is a catastrophy, won't last 10 more years...

KarlS · 21 April 2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lapince

I knew a long time ago you were supposed to test them, but the watches I was swimming with at that time were 2-3K at most, so didn't really care and swam with them even without testing them, since I went into high end pieces I prefer just to avoid swimming with them, if I test the watch and 6 months later I swim with it and it takes water, I don't think the manufacture is going to service it free of charge because it was tested less than a year ago, this is what happened to a member with an AP ceramic diver, good for 300 meters, so I prefer safe than sorry...

Live dangerously!!!

Russell996 · 21 April 2017, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlS

Live dangerously!!!

debner4 · 22 April 2017, 04:59 AM

I have an opportunity to but either a 5711 or 5712 new from AD. Both in steel (blue dial) and both on bracelet. Really struggling which one to choose as what I like about each is also what I don't like about each (relative to one another). For instance:

5711
I love the plain dial, but worry that the plan dial is too boring.
Love the understated look, but worry it's too understated.
Like that it is less money, but is it inferior because it is less money.

5712
Love the complications, but don't really need any of the complications.
Love the asymmetrical dial, but worry it's too busy.
Like that it is more interesting, worry that it I will like it less as time wears on.

Curious what the current sentiments are out there now that both of these references are extremely difficult to find at AD. Also, hard to ignore that on secondary market both watches are selling for about the same price, but it will cost me an extra $8,000 to get the 5712 new versus 5711 new. That being said, I don't intend to sell either, just know if I got 5711 and regretted it, I could trade into a 5712 for nearly an even swap whereas if I get the 5712 and wish I would have gotten the 5711, I will basically lose the extra $8,000. Of course, I hope not to regret either decision and no, I can't afford to buy both.

Any and all help/thoughts are appreciated. Especially from those that have also gone through this excruciating decision and/or have owned either or both.

SamP · 22 April 2017, 07:09 AM

Re next price increase.
Aug 16 £24,120
Apr 16 CHF 29,300
Feb 15 £21,850
Apr 14 €26,900
2013 $36,000
2012 $33,900
Oct 2011 $36,000
Jul 2011 $33,900
Feb 2011 $31,600
Apr 2009 $30,700
Feb 2007 £12,760.
So yearly really.
If you buy now at list plus 10% (grey market) say £26,500 on your wrist 2017, that's better than waiting two years and two price increases of 10% each through a dealer say £28,800 on your wrist in 2019. You would have had the pleasure of the 10% cheaper watch for two years. The only advantage of buying from a dealership is so you acrew favour points to build towards a preference piece. But if they don't have your piece in stock - what is one supposed to do. Good luck.
I prefer the 26 to the 12. More symmetry. But then I'm a touch OCD.

martinr · 22 April 2017, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debner4

I have an opportunity to but either a 5711 or 5712 new from AD. Both in steel (blue dial) and both on bracelet. Really struggling which one to choose as what I like about each is also what I don't like about each (relative to one another). For instance:

5711
I love the plain dial, but worry that the plan dial is too boring.
Love the understated look, but worry it's too understated.
Like that it is less money, but is it inferior because it is less money.

5712
Love the complications, but don't really need any of the complications.
Love the asymmetrical dial, but worry it's too busy.
Like that it is more interesting, worry that it I will like it less as time wears on.

Curious what the current sentiments are out there now that both of these references are extremely difficult to find at AD. Also, hard to ignore that on secondary market both watches are selling for about the same price, but it will cost me an extra $8,000 to get the 5712 new versus 5711 new. That being said, I don't intend to sell either, just know if I got 5711 and regretted it, I could trade into a 5712 for nearly an even swap whereas if I get the 5712 and wish I would have gotten the 5711, I will basically lose the extra $8,000. Of course, I hope not to regret either decision and no, I can't afford to buy both.

Any and all help/thoughts are appreciated. Especially from those that have also gone through this excruciating decision and/or have owned either or both.

I'd get both. On the other hand I wouldn't get either one. Hope this helps.

Keanuchan · 22 April 2017, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamP

Re next price increase.
Aug 16 £24,120
Apr 16 CHF 29,300
Feb 15 £21,850
Apr 14 €26,900
2013 $36,000
2012 $33,900
Oct 2011 $36,000
Jul 2011 $33,900
Feb 2011 $31,600
Apr 2009 $30,700
Feb 2007 £12,760.
So yearly really.
If you buy now at list plus 10% (grey market) say £26,500 on your wrist 2017, that's better than waiting two years and two price increases of 10% each through a dealer say £28,800 on your wrist in 2019. You would have had the pleasure of the 10% cheaper watch for two years. The only advantage of buying from a dealership is so you acrew favour points to build towards a preference piece. But if they don't have your piece in stock - what is one supposed to do. Good luck.
I prefer the 26 to the 12. More symmetry. But then I'm a touch OCD.

true though, the AD told me that I probably can get it in summer 2018.... hopefully not increase in price....

KarlS · 22 April 2017, 04:18 PM

@SamP actually Feb 2015 was a price reduction in the UK (if I remember correctly) The August 2016 increase merely reintroduced the status quo primarily due to the collapse in the GBP. As watches are circa 7% cheaper in UK than Europe I wouldn't think a price increase is unreasonable in the future depending on exchange rate movements.

Mauiguy · 22 April 2017, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlS

Live dangerously!!!

Hah! Karl the only thing dangerous is spilling the drink in your other hand! Just joking of course! Fabulous watch!

20 April 2017, 04:38 PM	#1
Keanuchan "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Earth Posts: 56	5712/1a-001 Hi, new to here and not sure where can I find the PP price list (UK) and not sure what is the retail price of 5712/1A now? Many thanks

20 April 2017, 10:31 PM	#8
kaiserphoenix "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: London/Tokyo Watch: FPJ CO BL Posts: 1,601	Note the 5712 may look sportier but it has "only" 60m water resistance vs the 120m of the other nautilus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ F.P.Journe Chronometre Optimum Black Label, Patek 5811G-001, A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 191.039, Patek 5167A-001, Rolex Yacht-Master 40 Everrose, (Wh) Rolex Daytona 116500, (Blue) Rolex Skydweller 326934, Rolex Submariner 126610LV IG: tokyo_watch_guy

22 April 2017, 04:59 AM	#25
debner4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: California Posts: 268	I'm really struggling deciding between 5711 and 5712! I have an opportunity to but either a 5711 or 5712 new from AD. Both in steel (blue dial) and both on bracelet. Really struggling which one to choose as what I like about each is also what I don't like about each (relative to one another). For instance: 5711 I love the plain dial, but worry that the plan dial is too boring. Love the understated look, but worry it's too understated. Like that it is less money, but is it inferior because it is less money. 5712 Love the complications, but don't really need any of the complications. Love the asymmetrical dial, but worry it's too busy. Like that it is more interesting, worry that it I will like it less as time wears on. Curious what the current sentiments are out there now that both of these references are extremely difficult to find at AD. Also, hard to ignore that on secondary market both watches are selling for about the same price, but it will cost me an extra $8,000 to get the 5712 new versus 5711 new. That being said, I don't intend to sell either, just know if I got 5711 and regretted it, I could trade into a 5712 for nearly an even swap whereas if I get the 5712 and wish I would have gotten the 5711, I will basically lose the extra $8,000. Of course, I hope not to regret either decision and no, I can't afford to buy both. Any and all help/thoughts are appreciated. Especially from those that have also gone through this excruciating decision and/or have owned either or both.

20 April 2017, 04:45 PM	#2
Sam Philip Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 4,345	MSRP price for 5712/1A in the UK is £24120.

20 April 2017, 06:54 PM	#3
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	Good choice, amazing watch and my favorite watch in the less than 50K segment

20 April 2017, 11:00 PM	#9
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	Well yes, but I don't swim with my watches, even my AP diver, of course to wash it under water 60m is more than enough, but if you want to swim with your watches 120m is better of course, but even on a 300m if one joint is dry and too old the movement will take in water, like was the case on the AP forum here where a member swam with his diver, rated 300 meters, and water went in, I think his warranty was finished, I prefer not to take the chance, of course between leaving my watch on the beach to go for a swim with the risk of it being stolen or swimming with it I will swim with it, but usually don't wear a watch going to the beach...

20 April 2017, 11:25 PM	#10
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	Did over 300 dives with a Yachtmaster from 10m to 50m and never sprung a leak!!! Didn't even know you had to have a watch pressure tested in those days!!

21 April 2017, 12:09 AM	#14
Keanuchan "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Earth Posts: 56	anyone know will there be any price up again in the very near future?

22 April 2017, 07:09 AM	#26
SamP "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: London Watch: 1680/8 & '88 16528 Posts: 721	Re next price increase. Aug 16 £24,120 Apr 16 CHF 29,300 Feb 15 £21,850 Apr 14 €26,900 2013 $36,000 2012 $33,900 Oct 2011 $36,000 Jul 2011 $33,900 Feb 2011 $31,600 Apr 2009 $30,700 Feb 2007 £12,760. So yearly really. If you buy now at list plus 10% (grey market) say £26,500 on your wrist 2017, that's better than waiting two years and two price increases of 10% each through a dealer say £28,800 on your wrist in 2019. You would have had the pleasure of the 10% cheaper watch for two years. The only advantage of buying from a dealership is so you acrew favour points to build towards a preference piece. But if they don't have your piece in stock - what is one supposed to do. Good luck. I prefer the 26 to the 12. More symmetry. But then I'm a touch OCD.

22 April 2017, 04:18 PM	#29
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	@SamP actually Feb 2015 was a price reduction in the UK (if I remember correctly) The August 2016 increase merely reintroduced the status quo primarily due to the collapse in the GBP. As watches are circa 7% cheaper in UK than Europe I wouldn't think a price increase is unreasonable in the future depending on exchange rate movements.

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