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Old 1 June 2020, 11:17 PM   #1
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6263 Big Red Garantie

Hi guys,

Hope everyone is safe and well in these times.

I'm looking to buy a 6263 Daytona from what appears to be a respected dealer.

It's a 1981 watch with a 619XXXX serial number.

It is offered with a recent (2019) Rolex Service receipt and its original 'Garantie' - which is the handwritten (with a typed serial number) type - and stamped from the original dealer etc.

The certificate's reference number (bottom right) is 572 02 300 - which had me wondering if it might possibly be a 70s certificate (and therefore not correct.)

My limited research seems to suggest that 572 01 XXX certificates are 70s but I can't find much info on 572 02 XXX certificates.

I just don't want to end up with an (expensive) Daytona with an incorrect certificate. I may as well buy a Big Red without papers for considerably less.

Many thanks in advance for any/all help.

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Old 2 June 2020, 03:44 AM   #2
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Do you have pictures?
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Old 2 June 2020, 04:08 AM   #3
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Do you have pictures?
Pictures of what? The certificate?

I can ask I guess, but it's just a regular 'short' Garantie with those reference numbers in the bottom right corner.

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Old 2 June 2020, 04:17 AM   #4
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Do you have pictures?
They are closed right now, so I'll have to wait until the morning.

But like this - only with those 572 02 300 reference numbers (rather than 568 00 11X.)

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Old 2 June 2020, 04:20 AM   #5
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I have a 630#### serial 16750 and that has punched papers and 570.02.100 in the bottom righthand corner. I also had a 932#### 6265 and that had hand written papers with 572.25 in the bottom right hand corner so I would say that yours are fine.
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I have a 630#### serial 16750 and that has punched papers and 570.02.100 in the bottom righthand corner. I also had a 932#### 6265 and that had hand written papers with 572.25 in the bottom right hand corner so I would say that yours are fine.
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Old 2 June 2020, 05:38 AM   #7
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Here’s the papers for my 6263 6198XXX.
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See it as nice provenence. Don’t pay premium for non-punched papers that are that late. It really should be punched in the 80’s to carry much value imho.
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Old 2 June 2020, 06:26 AM   #9
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See it as nice provenence. Don’t pay premium for non-punched papers that are that late. It really should be punched in the 80’s to carry much value imho.
There’s plenty of legitimate non-punched papers from the 80’s.
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There’s plenty of legitimate non-punched papers from the 80’s.
Sure but I would still not say they add much value. They add provenence if you want to believe in them. Together with receipt etc it starts to get interesting. Otherwise I would value it as open papers. Just an accessory. Not more, not less.

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Pictures of the watch I mean
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The corner from my punched USA paper for my 6263 (serial 6.05XXXX), originally sold in January 1982.

Would be interested to see the full paper from the OP. Could be variations for a European guarantee certificate.

Still, I agree with the above about written papers. Even if they're legit, I'm not sure how much value they add, and I'd never pay a premium for written papers, unless they came with other paperwork that provided evidence they originally came with the watch.
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Sure but I would still not say they add much value. They add provenence if you want to believe in them. Together with receipt etc it starts to get interesting. Otherwise I would value it as open papers. Just an accessory. Not more, not less.

Each to their own though.
Don't you believe in them ( hand written warranty papers)? Do you know something that we, the believers do not?

As everyone well knows, there are fake papers that are typed, punched and yes, even hand written - but that doesn't mean they are all fake or don't add value to a collector set.

For those that are unaware, warranty papers are an accessory and usually found as part of a complete set along with several other accessories. It is often part of the "complete package."

In the past, I've placed many photos on this forum of hand written warranty papers that were issued by dealers - from many years too. Back in the day, it was just a warranty document for the owner, nobody cared back then.

So yes, hand written warranty papers were issued in the past. I might add that, whether hand written, typed or punched, warranty papers add some value to a watch or watch set is something the buyer should decide.
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572 02 300 is a warranty document number based on the early 1980s based on the papers in my document library.
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Don't you believe in them ( hand written warranty papers)? Do you know something that we, the believers do not?

As everyone well knows, there are fake papers that are typed, punched and yes, even hand written - but that doesn't mean they are all fake or don't add value to a collector set.

For those that are unaware, warranty papers are an accessory and usually found as part of a complete set along with several other accessories. It is often part of the "complete package."

In the past, I've placed many photos on this forum of hand written warranty papers that were issued by dealers - from many years too. Back in the day, it was just a warranty document for the owner, nobody cared back then.

So yes, hand written warranty papers were issued in the past. I might add that, whether hand written, typed or punched, warranty papers add some value to a watch or watch set is something the buyer should decide.
I do and I have such for some of my pieces. I just don’t think it adds much premium. It’s just an accessory as anything else. The later the piece is the more I would expect punched papers. For a watch from the 80’s I’d value it as much as a blank paper. Something that is quite common as well.
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Thanks for the input guys. Appreciated.

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Old 4 June 2020, 06:50 PM   #17
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Here’s the papers for my 6263 6198XXX.
Hi again Goochy,

Many thanks for this. Just out out interest, what was the original 'sale' date of your 6263, please?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 4 June 2020, 10:07 PM   #18
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Hi again Goochy,

Many thanks for this. Just out out interest, what was the original 'sale' date of your 6263, please?

Thanks in advance.

Papers are dated 12th October 1983.
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Papers are dated 12th October 1983.
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